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Danthemailman

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ChurchofChristguy said:
I’ll just have to disagree with you on this one.

Acts 2:38. Then Peter said unto them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
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In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony* :Thumbsup
 
Earth Wind and Fire

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church mouse guy said:
Mohler and Moore--I have been railing against them for a while now. Add on J.D. Greear. I don't see how the SBC can survive those three if they are not checked. Greear should not be re-elected; Moore's job and the ERLC should be abolished, and Mohler--what would you do with Mohler? In my book, he is an egghead who will side with whoever pays the most.
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What do you define as an egghead?
 
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Salty said:
1) Then why do the COC believe that you must be baptized immediately - even that evening?
2) You quoted Acts 2:38 "Repent AND be baptized for the remission of your sins"

These two statements should be proof enough that COC believes in Baptismal regeneration



But 100% of Baptists have NOT been immersed! There are a multitude of reasons -
Thus it is NOT a mindless debate.

Bottome line - how does a person get to heaven: He that believeth on the Son hath life and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36
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1. CoC believes that baptism is an integral part of the act of receiving the Lord, just like drying your hands after you wash them. It's just a different interpretation. I have no allusions that minds are going to be changed here. To my knowledge, there isn't a conversion in the NT absent of baptism. Whether salvation occurs before,during, after, will no doubt continue to be debated for centuries. It's important, and in the CoC, there is an urgency to it.

2. I've never met a believing Baptist who wasn't immersed, but you probably know more than me. Why wouldn't someone be immersed? To test God? To prove a point in a doctrine? That's a head scratcher.
 
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HankD

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I haven't read every post in this thread but as as young man, I knew a young lady who was a Church of Christ member.

Her particular Church did not believe in the deity of Christ.

How about yourself ChurchofChristguy?
 
Earth Wind and Fire

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HankD said:
I haven't read every post in this thread but as as young man, I knew a young lady who was a Church of Christ member.

Her particular Church did not believe in the deity of Christ.

How about yourself ChurchofChristguy?
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Are you questioning his .... clearly you are!
 
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HankD said:
I haven't read every post in this thread but as as young man, I knew a young lady who was a Church of Christ member.

Her particular Church did not believe in the deity of Christ.

How about yourself ChurchofChristguy?
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Oh my. It would seem an oxymoron for a Church of "Christ" to be a denier of Christ as God in the flesh. That one's a new one on me. Maybe the young lady had been smoking some weed.
 
Earth Wind and Fire

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As a side note, we finally got a church up here in Joisey that signed up with the SBC and brought in a pastor from the SBC seminary in Kentucky.... I thought I would be impressed but I’m not really impressed... I don’t see it as cut from a different cloth, rather it strives to be “same old same old”
 
church mouse guy

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Earth Wind and Fire said:
Clearly you don’t know Mohler and if that is the case, then you formulate opinions of people’s character based on option and not fact. This is a fault in yourself that you need to correct.
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You don't refute anything--just go after me. If you like Mohler, that's fine with me. Nevertheless, Mohler does things such as saying libertarianism is wrong and then takes money from a libertarian foundation. He implies that God made junk in that people have homosexual orientation.
 
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church mouse guy said:
You don't refute anything--just go after me. If you like Mohler, that's fine with me. Nevertheless, Mohler does things such as saying libertarianism is wrong and then takes money from a libertarian foundation. He implies that God made junk in that people have homosexual orientation.
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Then tell me plainly you consider him to be a hypocrite!
 
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Earth Wind and Fire said:
As a side note, we finally got a church up here in Joisey that signed up with the SBC and brought in a pastor from the SBC seminary in Kentucky.... I thought I would be impressed but I’m not really impressed... I don’t see it as cut from a different cloth, rather it strives to be “same old same old”
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Maybe bring in some serpents for handling? I’ve heard this does wonders for a youth program.
 
kyredneck

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ChurchofChristguy said:
Maybe bring in some serpents for handling? I’ve heard this does wonders for a youth program.
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Sunday, May 20, 2007
Snake handling on the rise in Baptist churches

"According to a new report, snake handling is on the rise within Baptist churches across the country. The report, released by NAMB this past Tuesday, says that the practice of snake handling as part of Sunday morning worship services has risen in Baptist churches from 2% in 2006 to 17% this spring.

Al Wittner, senior pastor at First Baptist Church of Baton Rouge, LA reported the exciting results of snake handling. According to Wittner, "A few weeks ago, we began with just a few black snakes. The folks in the pews felt a little uneasy at first, but they warmed up to it very quickly. By this past Sunday, we added Rattlers and Copperheads. I think the added dimension of poison really increased interest. We had at least 40% of our members in attendance, which was the highest percentage in years."

NAMB's report also indicates that some churches are planning on adding snake handling as a third ordinance. Along with baptism and the Lord's Supper, snake handling will be a regular part of church gatherings. Pastor Wittner said, "We haven't yet decided whether or not to make snake handling an ordinance. But, if it keeps bringing the lost in through the front doors of the church, we might just have to do so."

When asked what has brought about the recent increase in snake handling, NAMB indicated that it can be traced to Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary's recent conference on the last 12 verses of the book of Mark. At the end of the conference, the majority of the scholars said that they believe the last 12 verses are original. This has caused many pastors and laypeople to study those 12 verses.

Mark 16:17 -18 has caused the stir. In this text, Jesus says, "And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

According to Pastor Wittner, "We had never really thought much about that last chapter of Mark . Then, after we heard about what happened at Southeastern, we decided that we needed to take another look. We certainly believe in Jesus, so we thought we had better pick up serpents. We haven't yet drunk any deadly poison, but this is scheduled for our fall revival. No volunteers have come forward, but I have faith that they will.""
 
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