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Matt Black

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Witchcraft is a sin. If you're trusting in a mystical practice, witchcraft, to save you, then you are perishing.
Just as well I'm not then but, rather, the sure promise that Jesus meant what He said when He said "This is My Body, this is My Blood"; "unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood, you have no part in Me".

Unless you think Jesus practised witchcraft?
 

Matt Black

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I said:
We are saved by God's GRACE ALONE--through faith--In the FINISHED Work of JESUS CHRIST.
Eph. 2:8-9
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

If you are trusting in a pagan, mystical practice to save you--Transubstantiation, you will be damned forever.
Bad news for the Apostles, then!
 

thatbrian

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I don't love my wife perfectly, yet I love her and we are married. What makes a marriage: is it just the wedding ceremony and marriage certificate? Or is it also a lifetime of love, growing together and laying down our lives for each other through acts of loving service? If the latter is absent, then is there really a marriage?

You've missed the point. Loving God and neighbor is the summation of The entire Law. You can't call it obedience if it is imperfect.
 

Matt Black

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No, I think you've missed the point: if you claim to 'have faith' and yet don't love God or your neighbour, of what value is that 'faith. I think St James has quite a bit to say about that...
 

Matt Black

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As he says, even the demons believed that Jesus was God when He exercised them; indeed, their faith was arguably greater than that of many Christians! None of that saved them though.
 

thatbrian

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No, I think you've missed the point: if you claim to 'have faith' and yet don't love God or your neighbour, of what value is that 'faith. I think St James has quite a bit to say about that...

Apples and pineapples.

We are discussion how one is justified, not how justified ones behave.
 

utilyan

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Clearly I misspoke if you conclude that there is only a "tiny" wall between us.

Father: Christ claimed that for Himself, not the man with the title in Rome.

And enough with the bad hermeneutics: it leads to indulgences and a morality that sways with the needs of expedience and financial gain.

Or have you forgotten that whenever the RCC has had to choose between financial gain and the Word of God, it changed its tradition to suit financial gain.

What would one day about a professing brother who did the same?

The RCC is remarkably consistent in relegating God's Word as less than absolutely authoritative.

Which is good for the true Body of Christ because the RCC's abominations are clear to anyone who cares to look.

Indulgences, the blessing of slave ships by the Pope, the Crusades, executing men and women for distributing Bibles, pedophilia, money laundering and every other evil under the sun.

The name of Christ is blasphemed among the nonbelievers because of the Catholic Church.


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Yes Brother, Save me from this evil church of demons and monster pope and strange traditions, who never bad mouths you.

All you have to do is TELL THE TRUTH.

Save Me brother.

Show us where the bible says it is the FINAL and ONLY authority. TELL THE TRUTH. Is it BIBLICAL or UNBIBLICAL.

GOD is on your side. Show me the bible verse that upholds your glorious truth.
 

JonShaff

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Show me the bible verse that upholds your glorious truth.
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

The Lord Jesus Christ Condemned the Religious leaders of His Day for valuing their traditions higher than the Word of God.
 

utilyan

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Jesus could have personally preached FAITH ALONE, but he knew trash when he saw it.
 

utilyan

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2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
Ok Mr English major.

All scripture is God breathed(inspired) check.

Scripture helps with doctrine. CHECK

Scripture IS doctrine. NOPE

Scripture PROFITABLE/ HELPS with instruction CHECK.

What is doctrine reproof correction and instruction all good for? (you didn't quote it ) So that the man of God can be better equipped for GOOD WOOOOOORKS.

Excellent. AMEN that verse is 100% TRUE.


I asked you to prove your car is BLUE, you gave evidence that it has 4 tires and engine and some doors. Great Job.


Show us where the bible says it is the FINAL and ONLY authority. TELL THE TRUTH. Is it BIBLICAL or UNBIBLICAL.

GOD is on your side. Show me the bible verse that upholds your glorious truth.


Or should I PRETEND it says the bible is final and only authority in that verse you gave?
 

JonShaff

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Ok Mr English major.

All scripture is God breathed(inspired) check.

Scripture helps with doctrine. CHECK

Scripture IS doctrine. NOPE

Scripture PROFITABLE/ HELPS with instruction CHECK.

What is doctrine reproof correction and instruction all good for? (you didn't quote it ) So that the man of God can be better equipped for GOOD WOOOOOORKS.

Excellent. AMEN that verse is 100% TRUE.


I asked you to prove your car is BLUE, you gave evidence that it has 4 tires and engine and some doors. Great Job.


Show us where the bible says it is the FINAL and ONLY authority. TELL THE TRUTH. Is it BIBLICAL or UNBIBLICAL.

GOD is on your side. Show me the bible verse that upholds your glorious truth.


Or should I PRETEND it says the bible is final and only authority in that verse you gave?
Christ is the Head--Final Authority--and He gave His last Words--through the Apostles and Prophets--For the Church to Live by and understand. King Jesus is the Word and He Gave us His Word.
 

utilyan

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Christ is the Head--Final Authority--and He gave His last Words--through the Apostles and Prophets--For the Church to Live by and understand. King Jesus is the Word and He Gave us His Word.

What page is that? Verse NOW.
 

JonShaff

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2 Peter 1:17-21

Ephesians 2:20

2 Tim 3:15 (I would think some of the Writings would start circulating by the time Paul wrote this; He is at least talking about the OT writings)

Luke 1:1-4

John 14:26--AMP
But the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will teach you all things. And He will cause you to recall (will remind you of, bring to your remembrance) everything I have told you.
 

supersoldier71

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Yes Brother, Save me from this evil church of demons and monster pope and strange traditions, who never bad mouths you.

All you have to do is TELL THE TRUTH.

Save Me brother.

Show us where the bible says it is the FINAL and ONLY authority. TELL THE TRUTH. Is it BIBLICAL or UNBIBLICAL.

GOD is on your side. Show me the bible verse that upholds your glorious truth.

Where oh where does the Bible tell me to seek holiness? Salvation? Sanctification?

Again it's not tradition that is the enemy of God, it's traditions that violate Scripture, which are the true rock on which your church is built.

Jesus Christ is the only name under Heaven by which we may be saved. Christ is the Word. The Word, perfect, inerrant and most salient for this discussion, complete.

Why would I trade the truth of Christ and Him crucified for the lies of the Roman Church?

The idolatrous pantheism of the veneration of the saints...check your history and you'll see that the origins of this tradition are clearly not godly.

There is nothing that Christ said about Scribes and Pharisees that cannot be laid upon the RCC in full measure.

They did travel the globe to seek out converts, and when they were converted, they converted to a blasphemous faith that exalts Mary above Christ.

Mary's "Immaculate Conception"?

Please.

And now, the antichrist in Rome has said that the Bible is not literal truth?

The "Vicar of Christ" contradicting Scripture. Contradicting Christ.

For us in the Body of Christ it is good that the RCC and in particular, the antichrist in Rome are so wrong so often in that it makes it easier to see that they are a church of Satan.

To be clear, there are likely individual Catholics that are among the Elect.

That, despite the best efforts of the RCC.

Praise the Lord.


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utilyan

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"Christ is the Head--Final Authority--"

AMEN!

Ephesians 5

22Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.

25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. 28So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, 30because we are members of His body. 31FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. 32This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.


The Church, Jesus is its head, and is one flesh. We are his body the church.

1 Timothy 3
15but in case I am delayed, I writeso that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.

The Church.

2 Corinthians 3

2You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6who also made us adequate asservants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


Written not with ink.


John 20

21So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23“If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

GOD BREATHED.
 

utilyan

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Where oh where does the Bible tell me to seek holiness? Salvation? Sanctification?

Again it's not tradition that is the enemy of God, it's traditions that violate Scripture, which are the true rock on which your church is built.

Jesus Christ is the only name under Heaven by which we may be saved. Christ is the Word. The Word, perfect, inerrant and most salient for this discussion, complete.

Why would I trade the truth of Christ and Him crucified for the lies of the Church?

The idolatrous pantheism of the veneration of the saints...check your history and you'll see that the origins of this tradition are clearly not godly.

There is nothing that Christ said about Scribes and Pharisees that cannot be laid upon the RCC in full measure.

They did travel the globe to seek out converts, and when they were converted, they converted to a blasphemous faith that exalts Mary above Christ.

Mary's "Immaculate Conception"?

Please.

And now, the antichrist in Rome has said that the Bible is not literal truth?

The "Vicar of Christ" contradicting Scripture. Contradicting Christ.

For us in the Body of Christ it is good that the RCC and in particular, the antichrist in Rome are so wrong so often in that it makes it easier to see that they are a church of Satan.

To be clear, there are likely individual Catholics that are among the Elect.

That, despite the best efforts of the RCC.

Praise the Lord.


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Oh no! I am in the Devils Church.

Save me brother,

Show us where the bible says it is the FINAL and ONLY authority. TELL THE TRUTH. Is it BIBLICAL or UNBIBLICAL.

GOD is on your side. Show me the bible verse that upholds your glorious truth.

Lets not be this who makes MAN MADE traditions and adds FAKE RULES that are not written in scripture.
 

JonShaff

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Oh no! I am in the Devils Church.

Save me brother,
The Biblical Jesus Can and will save you if you repent and trust and treasure Him alone.

the "jesus" that is still on your crucifix cannot save. Only the Resurrected Christ Can save.
 
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