Heresy

[Cutter]

Look at it this way. What would you do if a half dozen Jehovah's Witnesses came on here, claimed to be Baptists, and tried to spread the doctrine that Jesus is actually Michael the archangel, yet none of the board administrators saw fit to ban them from the Baptist-only section? You'd probably do what many of us did -- AT FIRST. You'd debate them for a while and try to disarm their heresy.

At what point would you put them on ignore? Never? Well, that would be your choice. I've put these folks on ignore, and that's my choice. If you want to fuss about what I've done, go ahead.

Great illustration, NP.

 

[charles_creech78]

I am the first on this thread who said this board does not belong to us. If you want to put someone on "ignore", do it, but do not start a compaign about it.

I wonder if any put you on "ignore" over the "real" wine. I supported you even though you were almost completely alone in your belief. I believed that you had a right to your belief and respected it. I do not believe in the Millinium to be literal, that is a lot on here, but I am so happy to discover, many believe as I do on the Mill. Should I be put on "ignore"?

This is a "debate" board. If we all of the same mind, there would be no debate. Maybe you want to just discuss with those who believe exactly as you do, but I do not. The reason I have learned, including your "real" wine, it because it caused me to study the scripture from beginning to end over "wine". There is a purpose in debate, and it is not to ignore those we differ with.

peace,
BBob

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Then do it personally and do not start a compaign. Love your enemies, if you love your own, you have not done anything for even the world loves its own. Jesus went in and sat down with the sinners. You do the same if you want to be Christlike.

(Amen Brother Bob)You better stop Brother Bob. He is going to put you on ignore:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[DHK]

Great illustration, NP.

The Word of God says to "Contend for the Faith," and to do it earnestly.
The only way to do that is fight fire with fire. That means using the Word of God and not ignoring people. If you ignore heresy then heresy spreads going unrefuted. If it is refuted Scripturally the only answer a cornered person usually comes back with is the lame: "Well that's your opinion; that's your interpretation." They say that because their interpretation/opinion is different and they have no Scripture to back it up. Heresy needs to be exposed not ignored.

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by npetreley
Look at it this way. What would you do if a half dozen Jehovah's Witnesses came on here, claimed to be Baptists, and tried to spread the doctrine that Jesus is actually Michael the archangel, yet none of the board administrators saw fit to ban them from the Baptist-only section? You'd probably do what many of us did -- AT FIRST. You'd debate them for a while and try to disarm their heresy.

Jesus, part of the Godhead

Several Baptist and Presbyterian preachers and theologians have similarly taught that Michael and Jesus are the same being, including evangelist Charles Spurgeon commentator John Gill and commentator Matthew Henry who wrote of it within the footnotes of the . Jesus as Michael is also a standard part of the beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church These persons and groups consider the term archangel as indicating Jesus' position as chief of the angels, and not an angel himself, maintaining a Trinity.

I thought Spurgeon and Gill were some of your guys Npet?

 

[mmetts]

According to certain theological discourses found on page 3 of this thread, KS and ME were found to be only initials for certain states.

Thank you.

Further, the USA has been found in the Bible also. I found it last night while reading the Old Testament. I came across JerUSAlem and it was right there!!!

:thumbs:

EDIT: It was page 2, not 3.

 

[Brother Bob]

The Word of God says to "Contend for the Faith," and to do it earnestly.
The only way to do that is fight fire with fire. That means using the Word of God and not ignoring people. If you ignore heresy then heresy spreads going unrefuted. If it is refuted Scripturally the only answer a cornered person usually comes back with is the lame: "Well that's your opinion; that's your interpretation." They say that because their interpretation/opinion is different and they have no Scripture to back it up. Heresy needs to be exposed not ignored.__________________
DHK

I finally get to "amen" you DHK;

 

[npetreley]

Jesus, part of the Godhead

Several Baptist and Presbyterian preachers and theologians have similarly taught that Michael and Jesus are the same being, including evangelist Charles Spurgeon commentator John Gill and commentator Matthew Henry who wrote of it within the footnotes of the . Jesus as Michael is also a standard part of the beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church These persons and groups consider the term archangel as indicating Jesus' position as chief of the angels, and not an angel himself, maintaining a Trinity.

I thought Spurgeon and Gill were some of your guys Npet?

I haven't read Gill or Henry, but can you quote Spurgeon identifying Jesus as Michael? I've never heard that he did such a thing.

 

[npetreley]

The Word of God says to "Contend for the Faith," and to do it earnestly.

I think the best way to contend for the faith eanestly would be to ban the ME folks from Baptist Board. But BB obviously isn't going to do that. I've contended enough with debate. I don't think they're worth any more of my time and effort. If you want to do battle with them, be my guest.

 

[EdSutton]

Agreed.

Enough with the "heretic" labels and name calling, already.

I agree!

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

130 posts telling someone one how we can "ignore"?

Doesn't sound much like 'ignoring', to me.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

AMEN, Brother Bob!!

No doubt, a cross between a horse and a camel.



Ed

 

[EdSutton]

rbell once enjoyed the Judy Garland movie, "Strike up the banned!"

wait...did I spell that right?

Now that one, I like!

Ed

 

[npetreley]

If you guys spent half as much energy fighting the heresy of ME doctrine as you do whining about those of us who chose to ignore the ME folks, maybe you'd accomplish something worthwhile.

 

[Rufus_1611]

If you guys spent half as much energy fighting the heresy of ME doctrine as you do whining about those of us who chose to ignore the ME folks, maybe you'd accomplish something worthwhile.

Uh oh. I see an ignore list for those who are opposed to ignore lists coming on.

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Magnetic Poles
AMEN, Brother Bob!!

No doubt, a cross between a horse and a camel.

How ??????????????????????????

 

[EdSutton]

I don't know of too many well known teachers today who would preach this. Consider the well known preachers of today are folks like Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, Joel Osteen etc. and if the reaction on this board is indicative of how the rest of the world would receive this doctrine, you can imagine it would not be healthy for mega church growthing. What I would think should be compelling to folks who are looking for vindication outside of scripture alone, would be the preachers from the past. Take a look at the books on Schoettle Publishing which publishes books relative to this doctrine. Take a look at their author list...

• Ray E. Baughman
• Paul N. Benware
• Mark G. Cambron
• Joseph Dillow
• Kenneth F. Dodson
• J. D. Faust
• Robert Govett
• G. H. Lang
• Martha Lever
• Philip Mauro
• R. E. Neighbour
• D. M. Panton
• G. H. Pember
• George N. H. Peters
• Arthur W. Pink
• Earl D. Radmacher
• C. Norman Sellers
• Gerald B. Stanton
• Gary T. Whipple
• A. Edwin Wilson

You can add to that list names like Watchman Nee and AW Tozer.

Most folks on this board respect CH Spurgeon. Here's what Spurgeon said about Robert Govett...

"Mr. Govett wrote a hundred years before his time, and the day will come when his works will be treasured as sifted gold." Charles H. Spurgeon​

Yet, on this board there are folks that would advocate shunning Robert Govett (even though Spurgeon obviously respected him) and all the others I just listed on the basis that they're heretics advocating heresy.

Now this is a case of "guilt by association" if I ever saw it. I know Lewis Schoettle, personally, and he is also an alumnus of the same school I graduated from, Florida Bible College. He is in the business and ministry of printing 'Christian books'. He is not in the business of "overanalyzing" theology, per se, so probably does not check to see if every book he prints agrees in every detail in every area of doctrine, with his own views.

And I, as also did Mr. Schoettle, have the late Dr. Mark G. Cambron as a teacher whom we both knew personally, as well. I can assure you that Dr. Cambron did not teach the so-called ME doctrine, since he is no longer alive and able to defend himself.

That being said, I am not commenting on whether or not I believe ME to be Biblically correct or not, for that is not the purpose of this post, and I don't want to sidetrack it.

But it is somewhat telling, about our tendency to judge another man's servant. And his or her motives.

I cannot comment on what all the others mentioned here believe or believed, for many of them I do not know, nor have even heard of. I'm a farmer and cab driver, not a theologian, by trade.

Ed

 

[ReformedBaptist]

I clicked the thread out of curiosity how a thread could have over 100 posts...

Rabbit trail is the operative word here.

 

[Hope of Glory]

There are folks that would advocate shunning Robert Govett (even though Spurgeon obviously respected him) and all the others I just listed on the basis that they're heretics advocating heresy.

You have to remember that Govett was shunned in his day for predicting TV. He took the section in Revelation that talked about "the whole world will see it", and proclaimed that one day, the people on Earth will be able to see things going on all over the globe. He was called a heretic, because only God, through a miracle can cause that. (Of course, everyone assumes that God can't be behind man-made inventions.)

 

[EdSutton]

If you want to put someone on "ignore", do it, but do not start a compaign about it.

[snipped]

... I do not believe in the Millinium to be literal, that is a lot on here, but I am so happy to discover, many believe as I do on the Mill. Should I be put on "ignore"?

[snipped]

I probably should put you on 'ignore', but I am just to lazy to even bother. :sleeping_2:

'Sides, then I couldn't correct your posts. :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[Hope of Glory]

If this is unintended then please educate yourself before you make these comments. If this is intentional, and I suspect it is, I beg you to please, please, please stop your lying, please. raying:

Rufus, in case you've missed it, there are two individuals whose entire tactic is lying, saying you've said something you've not said, then shouting "HERETIC!", while pounding the virtual podium with their fists.

I stand by the contention that if your position is just, you have no need to lie to "win".

So, either their position is not just, or they're are completely dishonest.

You can decide which it is.