Heresy

[Amy.G]

The unfaithful, disobedient and non-overcoming servant does not get to rule and reign with the King of kings and the Lord of lords. If they did there would be no need to be faithful, obedient and overcoming. You could enjoy all the fruits of this world and all that glory has to offer as well. But Scripture is clear that we can not serve two masters. If we sow to the flesh we WILL reap corruption not life.

Since you want to clear things up, where do the unfaithful, disobedient servants go for the 1000 years?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I don't understand how anyone can fall for that heretical doctrine. Or how anyone can defend such teachers of that heretical doctrine.

What they cannot explain is if the fires of hell or the lake of fire purges the saved sinner (I thought it was Christ's blood that does that), why are not the drunkard, the fornicator, the adulteror, etc., cleansed as well? After all, they become true believers of who Christ is.

 

[J. Jump]

Since you want to clear things up, where do the unfaithful, disobedient servants go for the 1000 years?

I thought I was on the "no-no to talk to list" :laugh:.

Again why do you keep asking for information that you do not want and that you are not going to believe?

 

[npetreley]

Since you want to clear things up, where do the unfaithful, disobedient servants go for the 1000 years?

Come join us in using the ignore function, Amy! It's like removing profanity from movies. It doesn't fix those that are beyond repair, but it makes them much shorter and more pleasant to view.

 

[J. Jump]

I thought it was Christ's blood that does that

Christ's blood does cleanse us from our sin IF we confess. Guess what . . . if we DON'T confess then we are NOT cleansed and we will receive a just recompense for what we have done.

The cleansing blood of Christ is not automatic as much of Christendom would have us believe. We must request the covering of the blood through our confession of sin. Then and ONLY then will God forgive us of our sin. If we don't confess there is not forgiveness and there is no application of Christ's blood despite it being available for us and powerful enough to cleanse us.

 

[Amy.G]

I thought I was on the "no-no to talk to list" :laugh:.

Again why do you keep asking for information that you do not want and that you are not going to believe?

You are so predictable.

I did not put you on ignore. I'm not done with you yet! :laugh:

 

[J. Jump]

You are so predictable.

Pot meet kettle.

I did not put you on ignore. I'm not done with you yet!

Let me try and contain my excitement

.

 

[JDale]

Much has been said on this thread about who is and is not a heretic, and whether or not "we" should put them on ignore or ban them. I have a couple of simple observations....

I am an ordained minister of almost 20 years, member of a Southern Baptist Church, but theologically I am Reformation Arminian and Dispensationalist. Some of you -- without even reading further -- would accuse me of being a heretic. No discussion necessary.

I don't see this board as equivalent to a "local church." The language of Scripture, in the proper context, is addressed to the Church, the Body of Christ as manifested locally. In my local church, I would not hesitate to cast a heretic out. But BaptistBoard is a PUBLIC FORUM. It is not the local church. While most here are Baptists of various sorts, many come here who are not, and some who read these posts are LOST. When they read the vitriol and poison of SOME of those who advocate KS and ME, they are turned off. BUT, when they read others who say we should IGNORE or BAN the advocates of KS and ME, they look at them just the same -- as self-righteous, close-minded hypocrites.

In short, the Moderators control who may and may not post here. You as an inidividual have the ignore option without spreading discord on the board. I think, however, that spirited discussion and disagreement in hashing out issues here is actually a SERVICE to the truth, equipping true believers to confront error.

I am no friend of KS and ME -- I believe them to be heretical. But if in confronting them I can turn an advocate back to truth, or persuade a novice to avoid false doctrine and walk in Grace, I will -- I MUST. To those who wish to shun others here because you disagree -- what does that accomplish but to butress your own hubris and self-righteousness??

JDale

 

[JDale]

Soon, you shunners will only be able to talk to yourself.....

:laugh:

 

[Bible Believing Bill]

There are some (sometimes it seems like many) on this board with whom I disagree. There are none who I have put on ignore.

Sometimes listening to those you disagree with will cause you to do further study on your own beliefs. After that study you will be more able to defend your own beliefs or perhaps in some instances decide you were wrong to begin with. If you ignore people you disagree with you will not have this chance for further study and growth.

Bill

 

[mmetts]

Kansas and Maine

I'm so thankful for Saturneptune. We really ought to be more thankful for this poster!

 

[Rufus_1611]

Soon, you shunners will only be able to talk to yourself.....

:laugh:

Nicely done...especially for a heretical Arminianist

 

[npetreley]

BUT, when they read others who say we should IGNORE or BAN the advocates of KS and ME, they look at them just the same -- as self-righteous, close-minded hypocrites.

So what? This isn't a popularity contest, it's about a true gospel vs. a false gospel.

I am no friend of KS and ME -- I believe them to be heretical.

Then why don't you listen to what the Bible says about such thing? I'm guessing that either you are not certain it is a false gospel heresy, or you are certain but you're willing to ignore how the Bible says to react.

8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

Now look at what Paul says immediately afterward...

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

Also, while John was talking about a different heresy, the principle still applies.

9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

So call me a self-righteous close-minded jerk. I don't mind.

 

[Rufus_1611]

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This is rich. Kingdom accountability folks are worthy of shunning but someone who thinks you can lose your salvation is no problem...is that the gospel you received npet? Oh yeah...you're ignoring me. :applause:

 

[Amy.G]

I think I'll put you all on ignore and just talk to myself. Sometimes I need an intelligent person to talk to! :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Rufus_1611]

I think I'll put you all on ignore and just talk to myself. Sometimes I need an intelligent person to talk to! :laugh: :laugh:

Beware of the voices in your head

 

[npetreley]

Amen. Even worse, ME proponent J. D. Faust claims believers will suffer in the lake of fire (prepared for the devil and his angels) for 1,000 years.

I forgot to mention that ME folks not only say believers will spend 1,000 years in hell, outer darkness, the lake of fire, or wherever. They apply the passage about "broad is the road.." to this. They therefore say that MOST believers will spend 1,000 years in hell, etc. Only a minority of believers will escape that judgement (themselves included, I presume).

 

[Rufus_1611]

I forgot to mention that ME folks not only say believers will spend 1,000 years in hell, outer darkness, the lake of fire, or wherever. They apply the passage about "broad is the road.." to this. They therefore say that MOST believers will spend 1,000 years in hell, etc. Only a minority of believers will escape that judgement (themselves included, I presume).

Kingdom accountability folks do not say nor have ever said that a Christian will ever spend even a fraction of a second in the lake of fire.

You may presume that Kingdom Accountability believers will escape but no believer of this doctrine, whom I have encountered, presume on Christ and presume that He will count them worthy. Believing the doctrine doesn't get it done, being sanctified, suffering and working on behalf of our Lord does. We are to pray for this, not be presumptious...

"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." - Luke 21:36

"Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:" - 2 Thessalonians 1:11

"Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." - 1 Corinthians 10:12​

Of course, you're ignoring me so not sure how helpful this is, but it is obvious you ignored us when we weren't on ignore so it doesn't appear that there is much of a difference now that we're officially being ignored.

 

[tinytim]

I think I'll put you all on ignore and just talk to myself. Sometimes I need an intelligent person to talk to! :laugh: :laugh:

And you think this will help?

 

[npetreley]

I forgot to mention that ME folks not only say believers will spend 1,000 years in hell, outer darkness, the lake of fire, or wherever. They apply the passage about "broad is the road.." to this. They therefore say that MOST believers will spend 1,000 years in hell, etc. Only a minority of believers will escape that judgement (themselves included, I presume).

It just occurred to me that this is a self-limiting doctrine. If all ME folks assume that the MINORITY of Christians will escape 1,000 years of hell, and they also assume they are among the minority, then they dare not evangelize their views to the majority of Christians. Once ME believers represent the majority, they KNOW for sure that most of them will end up in the hell they predict for others.

Ooh, interesting paradox... (twilight zone music)