• Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

How am I condemned?

Status
Not open for further replies.
L

loDebar

Well-Known Member
Since we know : Jesus said
Jhn 5:22
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

and we know: Jesus said
Jhn 8:15
"Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man."

and we know: We are condemned already

Jhn 3:18
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God"

How am I condemned?
 
Pastor_Bob

Pastor_Bob

Well-Known Member
Hopefully, you're not condemned.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Before salvation, we were all condemned because the sin debt that our grandfather Adam passed down to us all (Romans 5:12) required a payment. Until that payment is made and subsequently appropriated to our account, we are condemned.
 
L

loDebar

Well-Known Member
That would be as a man, though

And we know the sins of the father are not visited upon the son

Eze 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear theiniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

We are all condemned, some of us have been pardoned
 
Y

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
loDebar said:
That would be as a man, though

And we know the sins of the father are not visited upon the son

Eze 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear theiniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

We are all condemned, some of us have been pardoned
Click to expand...
NOTHING to do with the spiritual sin debt problem, but that one would not be physically executed for violating the Law, unless they actually did it!
 
L

loDebar

Well-Known Member
Yeshua1 said:
NOTHING to do with the spiritual sin debt problem, but that one would not be physically executed for violating the Law, unless they actually did it!
Click to expand...

I am responsible for my own sin, not my fathers,

I was condemned without the Law. Do you have to know the Law in order to ne saved?


how as a man them, am i condemned?

Jesus said God didn't did not do it, Jesus said He judgeth no man, so?
 
Y

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
loDebar said:
I am responsible for my own sin, not my fathers,

I was condemned without the Law. Do you have to know the Law in order to ne saved?


how as a man them, am i condemned?
Click to expand...
Adam cursed all of us in Him, Jesus bless and undid that curse to all now in Him!
 
Y

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
loDebar said:
I am responsible for my own sin, not my fathers,

I was condemned without the Law. Do you have to know the Law in order to ne saved?


how as a man them, am i condemned?

Jesus said God didn't did not do it, Jesus said He judgeth no man, so?
Click to expand...
God the Father judged all to be receiving same conditional state Adam had after the fall, lost and spiritually dead...
 
I

Iconoclast

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
loDebar said:
Thanks,
How am I condemned "already" ?
I am a man
Click to expand...
romans 3:23.....All sinned...In Adam.....we are conceived in sin;
5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

We are born Spiritually dead. Pastor Bob is doing a fine job of walking you through this. Try not to combine verses from different contexts to avoid confusion.....Those who are born of God move from death to life.
Those who remain in Adam continue on to second death;
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
P

poor-in-spirit

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
loDebar said:
who condemned me then?
Click to expand...

You did friend, God's foreknowledge sees who will truly believe on Christ and who won't throughout the ages. Therefore it is logical for Him to say that you are condemned already since you will not believe unto life. Because of this fact, you then condemn yourself with your own words, see below:

Matt 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
 
I

Iconoclast

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
poor-in-spirit said:
You did friend, God's foreknowledge sees who will truly believe on Christ and who won't throughout the ages. Therefore it is logical for Him to say that you are condemned already since you will not believe unto life. Because of this fact, you then condemn yourself with your own words, see below:

Matt 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Click to expand...
Calm down Poor in Spirit.....You do not know who is or is not condemned. That is not the proper use of the biblical term foreknowledge.
God "knows" who will believe because He has elected them to believe.
You and I do not "know" who the elect are so we preach to all....where there is life there is hope.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top