How can anyone support Democrats

[just-want-peace]

I have a far better brain than you you little man.

Pride goeth before destruction!!

 

[Reynolds]

Is the question, "How can Anyone Support Democrats?", as in the title of the thread,

OR is it,

"How can Christians support this party?"

If the question is "How can Anyone Support Democrats" I think the answer is:

1. These people are believers in class warfare. The reason so many people are poor is because there's too many rich people gaming the system. Supporters of Democrats want wealth distribution.

2. They like big government to administer programs so they don't have to get personally involved. I think most people believe that a government safety net like Social Security and unemployment benefits is a good idea but Democrats want to take the idea further and further with more giveaway programs. Their penchant for entitlements is related to #1, class warfare, since after all, "the rich aren't paying their fair share", (they say), so tax the rich and give to the poor.

3. They are generally anti-military and anti 2nd amendment rights.

4. They are pro-environmental action.

If the question is "How can Christians support Democrats?", I don't have an answer for that given their pro abortion stance and their pro gay marriage stance.

What good resulted from any of those wars. We lost in Viet Nam. By attacking Afghanistan and Iraq we roused the radical Muslims to increase their attacks on not just us but the world. We now say Iran is one of our greatest enemies. We did them a BIG favor by taking down their greatest natural enemy, Iraq. Iraq proved to be a training ground for ISIS and was where they originated.

None of these wars protected our homeland. In fact, at one point GW Bush said bin Laden was no longer an important target. Then why did we start these two wars.

Personally, I'd far prefer that the church take care of the poor and homeless but our churches simply can't afford to do that. I calculated at one point it would take an average of $200,000/yr/Christian church in America (including Catholic churches) simply to provide medical insurance. Some larger churches could do that but most Baptist churches have about 100-200 regular attendees. Could your church meet that objective? And that doesn't include food programs, keeping seniors in nursing homes after their money runs out, etc. We currently spend as much on our military as the next 9 largest spending countries in the world combined and Trump wants to increase that significantly. There's also the not so small matter of the Pentagon being unable to determine how $8.5 T of defense funding was spent.

Our church could easily meet that obligation; especially if the govt quit taking it out of our members paychecks.
Govt can't keep secrets well. If the Pentagon needs to actually keep a weapons program secret, they have to put it in a black budget.
We should have crushed, broken, and ground to powder the enemies in all the above mentioned wars. Its hard to do when the liberals whine, cry, heart bleed, and continually obstruct the war effort.

 

[Alcott]

I have a far better brain than you

Prove it. And did Medicare get it for you?

 

[InTheLight]

Personally, I'd far prefer that the church take care of the poor and homeless but our churches simply can't afford to do that. I calculated at one point it would take an average of $200,000/yr/Christian church in America (including Catholic churches) simply to provide medical insurance. Some larger churches could do that but most Baptist churches have about 100-200 regular attendees. Could your church meet that objective?

Health insurance for all--that's the criteria for charity? Really? Talk about an inefficient use of money.

There's also the not so small matter of the Pentagon being unable to determine how $8.5 T of defense funding was spent.

LOL. Now it's $8.5 trillion? Just six weeks ago you claimed it was $6.5 trillion.
A Pentagon Audit in July 2016 Revealed $6.5T Unaccounted for

 

[Baptist Believer]

We should have crushed, broken, and ground to powder the enemies in all the above mentioned wars.

Kill men, women, children and leave the land empty?

 

[Reynolds]

Kill men, women, children and leave the land empty?

Think Sherman and Georgia.
Sherman is one of the few people who ever fully understood war. War is not about armies. War is about civilian populations. Armies are merely an extension of the civilian population. Defeating armies on the battlefield does not win wars. Breaking the will of the people fielding the army (civilians) wins wars. War is Hell. The more severe Hell you unleash, the faster it is over.

 

[Revmitchell]

How can Christians support this party?

You can start your support by ignoring the wholesale slaughter of unborn children which is a platform of that party which is rooted in racism and slavery.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Pride goeth before destruction!!

You made inane insults about my intelligence.

 

[FollowTheWay]

You can start your support by ignoring the wholesale slaughter of unborn children which is a platform of that party which is rooted in racism and slavery.

A Republican Supreme Court (6 R and 3 D) with a Republican Chief Justice ruled on Roe vs. Wade in 1973. The GOP has really done nothing to change their policy on abortion since then (45 years). It's very hard for me to think that the party leaders ever want it to change because abortion keeps evangelical Christians voting for Republicans regardless of what else in on their platform, like taking away medical insurance from 24 M Americans and significantly cutting medicaid which keeps seniors in nursing homes after they run out of money. We have about the 17th or 18th rated health care in the world because of Republican policies for decades.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Our church could easily meet that obligation; especially if the govt quit taking it out of our members paychecks.
Govt can't keep secrets well. If the Pentagon needs to actually keep a weapons program secret, they have to put it in a black budget.
We should have crushed, broken, and ground to powder the enemies in all the above mentioned wars. Its hard to do when the liberals whine, cry, heart bleed, and continually obstruct the war effort.

These wars had no legitimate purpose. Even if we had won we would have been in the wrong. And where's the now $8.5 T the Pentagon can't account for? My church could also afford to support the poor at this level but they and I'll bet yours would never do that. Then there's the 90% of American churches who could not afford such an initiative.

 

[Revmitchell]

A Republican Supreme Court (6 R and 3 D) with a Republican Chief Justice ruled on Roe vs. Wade in 1973.

Uh that is not the platform of the party the party affiliation of those very liberal judges is irrelevant.

The GOP has really done nothing to change their policy on abortion since then (45 years).

You need to get your facts straight. Republicans have pursued and changed laws regarding abortion on the state level and abortion clinics are shutting down left and right due to the new policies enacted.

It's very hard for me to think that the party leaders ever want it to change because abortion keeps evangelical Christians voting for Republicans regardless of what else in on their platform, like taking away medical insurance from 24 M Americans and significantly cutting medicaid which keeps seniors in nursing homes after they run out of money. We have about the 17th or 18th rated health care in the world because of Republican policies for decades.

Nothing true about any of this unsubstantiated claim.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Health insurance for all--that's the criteria for charity? Really? Talk about an inefficient use of money.



LOL. Now it's $8.5 trillion? Just six weeks ago you claimed it was $6.5 trillion.
A Pentagon Audit in July 2016 Revealed $6.5T Unaccounted for

Pentagon Can’t Account For 8.5 Trillion Taxpayer Dollars - Personal Liberty®

Uh that is not the platform of the party the party affiliation of those very liberal judges is irrelevant.



You need to get your facts straight. Republicans have pursued and changed laws regarding abortion on the state level and abortion clinics are shutting down left and right due to the new policies enacted.



Nothing true about any of this unsubstantiated claim.

Wouldn't you think that in 45 years there could have been a major change if it were a top priority? How long do we have to wait? 100 years?

 

[Revmitchell]

Pentagon Can’t Account For 8.5 Trillion Taxpayer Dollars - Personal Liberty®

Wouldn't you think that in 45 years there could have been a major change if it were a top priority? How long do we have to wait? 100 years?

There has been a major change. There are now some areas of the country where there are no PP's left. Abortion mills are closing down left and right.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Uh that is not the platform of the party the party affiliation of those very liberal judges is irrelevant.



You need to get your facts straight. Republicans have pursued and changed laws regarding abortion on the state level and abortion clinics are shutting down left and right due to the new policies enacted.



Nothing true about any of this unsubstantiated claim.

Republican President's nominated those judges. That's been the primary process for trying to change the Republican Roe vs. Wade decision. Own up to it.

 

[FollowTheWay]

There has been a major change. There are now some areas of the country where there are no PP's left. Abortion mills are closing down left and right.

Why don't you care at all about people AFTER they are born? Babies and all human beings need food, housing medical care. Yes, you want them to be born but then not have the basic necessities of life. Abortion is just one part of the larger Christian issue of sanctity of life. That includes helping the needy as Jesus commanded us to do, being peaceful and not warlike as Paul said, not hating our neighbor including our enemies (e.g. Muslims, blacks, liberals, Democrats, etc.) and generally following Jesus.


ROM 12:9 [Let] love [be] without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. 10 [Be] kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another; 11 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer; 13 distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality. 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. 16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion. 17 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but [rather] give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance [is] Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20 Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. - Rom 12:1-21 NKJV

 

[Revmitchell]

Republican President's nominated those judges. That's been the primary process for trying to change the Republican Roe vs. Wade decision. Own up to it.

Again it is irrelevant to anything I said.

 

[Revmitchell]

Why don't you care at all about people AFTER they are born?

This statement is both a strawman and the black and white fallacy. Both in formal fallacies and improper. Its a strawman because you are making an argument against something I never said I supported (i.e. "don't care about people after they are born") it is a black and white fallacy because you have implied that if I do not want to help your way then I do not care.

Babies and all human beings need food, housing medical care. Yes, you want them to be born but then not have the basic necessities of life.

See the last statement

Abortion is just one part of the larger Christian issue of sanctity of life.

Here is what you either don't understand or just want to ignore, it matters not about the other issues if the dems get abortion wrong then it is so grievous that it doesn't matter what else they get right. No person or party should be given support by Christians if they support abortion or if they support organizations that do them. The slaughter of unborn children should always be a deal break because there is nothing more serious and hideous in all the world.

That includes helping the needy as Jesus commanded us to do, being peaceful and not warlike as Paul said, not hating our neighbor including our enemies (e.g. Muslims, blacks, liberals, Democrats, etc.) and generally following Jesus.

And no one in this board is guilty of any of those things.

ROM 12:9 [Let] love [be] without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil.

Right! Do you abhor abortion? If so then how can you support a party that supports that which you abhor?

Cling to what is good. 10 [Be] kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another; 11 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer; 13 distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality. 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. 16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion. 17 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but [rather] give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance [is] Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20 Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. - Rom 12:1-21 NKJV

And everyone on this board does those things just not how you want them done.

 

[FollowTheWay]

This statement is both a strawman and the black and white fallacy. Both in formal fallacies and improper. Its a strawman because you are making an argument against something I never said I supported (i.e. "don't care about people after they are born") it is a black and white fallacy because you have implied that if I do not want to help your way then I do not care.



See the last statement



Here is what you either don't understand or just want to ignore, it matters not about the other issues if the dems get abortion wrong then it is so grievous that it doesn't matter what else they get right. No person or party should be given support by Christians if they support abortion or if they support organizations that do them. The slaughter of unborn children should always be a deal break because there is nothing more serious and hideous in all the world.



And no one in this board is guilty of any of those things.




Right! Do you abhor abortion? If so then how can you support a party that supports that which you abhor?



And everyone on this board does those things just not how you want them done.

If you are against feeding, housing and giving medical care for the poor and the elderly this is an accurate criticism. As I've said here before, I would far prefer that the church do these things. That will cost your church $200,000/year for medical care alone. An impossible solution is not a solution.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Again it is irrelevant to anything I said.

So if Republican President's Supreme Court Justice nominations were not the cause of Roe vs. versus Wade why is it the solution? was n

 

[Reynolds]

A Republican Supreme Court (6 R and 3 D) with a Republican Chief Justice ruled on Roe vs. Wade in 1973. The GOP has really done nothing to change their policy on abortion since then (45 years). It's very hard for me to think that the party leaders ever want it to change because abortion keeps evangelical Christians voting for Republicans regardless of what else in on their platform, like taking away medical insurance from 24 M Americans and significantly cutting medicaid which keeps seniors in nursing homes after they run out of money. We have about the 17th or 18th rated health care in the world because of Republican policies for decades.

The Republicans have tried to appoint pro life justices. Dems block them. Republicans have appointed moderates only after ultra conservative being blocked. (Reagan eres and forward)