How can anyone support Democrats

[FollowTheWay]

The Republicans have tried to appoint pro life justices. Dems block them. Republicans have appointed moderates only after ultra conservative being blocked. (Reagan eres and forward)

I'm talking about the Roe vs. Wade court. That was in 1973.

 

[InTheLight]

If you are against feeding, housing and giving medical care for the poor and the elderly this is an accurate criticism. As I've said here before, I would far prefer that the church do these things. That will cost your church $200,000/year for medical care alone. An impossible solution is not a solution.

Buying medical insurance is NOT the same thing as providing medical care. Why do you think buying medical insurance is an act of charity?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Buying medical insurance is NOT the same thing as providing medical care. Why do you think buying medical insurance is an act of charity?

The same as giving someone in need money ... it helps them in a need they cannot provide for themselves.

 

[InTheLight]

The same as giving someone in need money ... it helps them in a need they cannot provide for themselves.

Nobody NEEDS health insurance, but people might need medical care.

If someone needed transportation to and from a job a good thing to buy would be auto insurance?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Nobody NEEDS health insurance, but people might need medical care.

If someone needed transportation to and from a job a good thing to buy would be auto insurance?

Well if you want to bankrupt yourself go ahead. Of course we do have people who die because they do not have health insurance and wait too long before going to a doctor or hospital. I saw that happen at the free clinic I worked at as a volunteer.

Do you have health insurance?

 

[Salty]

Nobody NEEDS health insurance, but people might need medical care.

If someone needed transportation to and from a job a good thing to buy would be ...

a car - and the goverment should pay for it.

 

[InTheLight]

Well if you want to bankrupt yourself go ahead. Of course we do have people who die because they do not have health insurance and wait too long before going to a doctor or hospital. I saw that happen at the free clinic I worked at as a volunteer.

Do you have health insurance?

Of course I have health insurance. And yes, I wish more people had it. But to say that the best use of a church's charity outreach is to buy poor people health insurance is asinine.

Poor people probably aren't concerned about bankruptcy. Go ask some poor, needy people what kind of charity they want and I bet health insurance doesn't make the top five things.

 

[Reynolds]

I'm talking about the Roe vs. Wade court. That was in 1973.

The parties have shifted since 1973. In 1973, the parties in no way resembled what they are today. You want to go all the way back to the Civil War era, or do you want to deal with what the parties NOW believe.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Of course I have health insurance. And yes, I wish more people had it. But to say that the best use of a church's charity outreach is to buy poor people health insurance is asinine.

I've not said that. People do not give enough for a church to pay for the insurance. If every member tithed it would be different. But they don't and won't. So it is a must issue as far as churches are concerned.

Poor people probably aren't concerned about bankruptcy. Go ask some poor, needy people what kind of charity they want and I bet health insurance doesn't make the top five things.

That would be an interesting survey. Health insurance probably would be in the top five for the elderly. Obviously it would be for a person with a chronic health condition.

If poor countries and countries that are not nearly as rich as the US can provide health insurance for all it seems surely we could provide for our own.

 

[Revmitchell]

I'm talking about the Roe vs. Wade court. That was in 1973.

This is nothing more than a diversion. The facts of the matter is that the slaughter of unborn children are part of the platform of the Democrat party. It has never been the platform of the Republican party. Republicans do not support such atrocities no matter what else good someone does. It is evil to support that and that party. Period.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Buying medical insurance is NOT the same thing as providing medical care. Why do you think buying medical insurance is an act of charity?

My brother didn't have medical insurance for 15 years because he pastored a poor church that barely paid him and gave him no insurance. Buying insurance was very expensive due to a pre-existing condition. He had to face a very serious operation without insurance. Have you or anyone you know ever been in this situation? Buying him health insurance would most certainly have been an act of charity. He has 3 Masters degrees and left a lucrative position as a corporate financial analyst to enter the SBTS and become a minister. The surgeon respected what he had done and DONATED his services for a 6 1/2 hour thoracic aortic aneurysm operation. Most of those without insurance would not get that kind of benevolence. Would you like to face a life-threatening $50,000 operation without insurance?

 

[InTheLight]

My brother didn't have medical insurance for 15 years because he pastored a poor church that barely paid him and gave him no insurance. Buying insurance was very expensive due to a pre-existing condition. He had to face a very serious operation without insurance. Have you or anyone you know ever been in this situation? Buying him health insurance would most certainly have been an act of charity. He has 3 Masters degrees and left a lucrative position as a corporate financial analyst to enter the SBTS and become a minister. The surgeon respected what he had done and DONATED his services for a 6 1/2 hour thoracic aortic aneurysm operation. Most of those without insurance would not get that kind of benevolence. Would you like to face a life-threatening $50,000 operation without insurance?

I think the church providing health insurance for people would be money better spent on actual, tangible needs, rather than an "in case something happens" scenario.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Nobody NEEDS health insurance, but people might need medical care.

If someone needed transportation to and from a job a good thing to buy would be auto insurance?

If you don't have insurance or are

I think the church providing health insurance for people would be money better spent on actual, tangible needs, rather than an "in case something happens" scenario.

I agree. That's why I think America should provide an acceptable safety net like all other advanced countries. Our health care ranks about 18th in the world barely above Cuba.

 

[Alcott]

Would you like to face a life-threatening $50,000 operation without insurance?

I did in fact face surgery with a hospital Bill of $49,000. I had insurance, but did not know it would pay only $6,000 of that Bill. I argued with a Baylor rep about it and offered to start paying (don't remember my exact bid), and she said, "That is not within hour regulatory standards." So I asked how much minimum, and she said (I think) $300 a month. I said, "That is not within MY regulatory standards." So only then did she state a much lower figure. But tmalss, I paid for a year, first to the hospital then to a collection agency, then I stopped getting statements, so I stopped paying. So I think one way or another, healthcare IS a charity paid by everybody-- which is what you charity guys want.

 

[InTheLight]

I did in fact face surgery with a hospital Bill of $49,000.

What was wrong with your face that required surgery? And you did it yourself? Wow...

 

[Revmitchell]

If you are against feeding, housing and giving medical care for the poor and the elderly this is an accurate criticism. As I've said here before, I would far prefer that the church do these things. That will cost your church $200,000/year for medical care alone. An impossible solution is not a solution.

I am for making them self sufficient rather than dependent on the government for the rest of their lives. Dems are wanting people to be dependent on government.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I did in fact face surgery with a hospital Bill of $49,000. I had insurance, but did not know it would pay only $6,000 of that Bill. I argued with a Baylor rep about it and offered to start paying (don't remember my exact bid), and she said, "That is not within hour regulatory standards." So I asked how much minimum, and she said (I think) $300 a month. I said, "That is not within MY regulatory standards." So only then did she state a much lower figure. But tmalss, I paid for a year, first to the hospital then to a collection agency, then I stopped getting statements, so I stopped paying. So I think one way or another, healthcare IS a charity paid by everybody-- which is what you charity guys want.

Us charity guys are called followers of Jesus.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I am for making them self sufficient rather than dependent on the government for the rest of their lives. Dems are wanting people to be dependent on government.

OK. What have the Republicans done to make that happen? Besides a lot of people getting help from the government are deserving people. Would you have supported kicking my 95 year old aunt who taught the deaf for 30 years out on the street because she outlived her money (lived to be 102 with severe Alzheimer's for the last 5 years)?

 

[Revmitchell]

OK. What have the Republicans done to make that happen? Besides a lot of people getting help from the government are deserving people. Would you have supported kicking my 95 year old aunt who taught the deaf for 30 years out on the street because she outlived her money (lived to be 102 with severe Alzheimer's for the last 5 years)?

Creating an economy where jobs are available. Dems hate that and only want people under the thumb of big brother.

 

[Reynolds]

OK. What have the Republicans done to make that happen? Besides a lot of people getting help from the government are deserving people. Would you have supported kicking my 95 year old aunt who taught the deaf for 30 years out on the street because she outlived her money (lived to be 102 with severe Alzheimer's for the last 5 years)?

The Democrats want the poor to stay poor so they will vote Democrat.