All of 'em.
I'm deliberately ignoring all the hooey you've spoken throughout the rest of this post, the deliberately divisive nonsense you spout, and concentrating on these two quotes. I could have never left Kansas City (or my hometown in the north part of the state) and if I had met one saved Catholic -- and I've met far more than that -- I disprove the belief you have adopted through a complex willful blindness you choose to call truth. The real truth is, you've met a lot of saved Catholics and chosen to believe they are not brothers and sisters in Christ.
Calling people a liar whether by inference or directly is against the rules.
Denying one's testimony is still the equivalent--accusing one of lying.
You don't seem to know what you are talking about, so let me ask you:
Are you born again? If yes:
When, where and how, were you born again?
A church, a doctrine, a dogma, a catechism -- none of these things make a believer, nor does the study of any of those things make them an unbeliever.
The definition of a biblical church:
"An assembly of born again baptized (immersed) believers who have voluntarily assembled themselves together for the purpose of carrying out the ordinances of Christ (baptism by immersion and the Lord's Supper), and obeying the Great Commission."
--That is doctrine.
"Doctrine" means teaching. The teaching that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and rose again, paying the penalty for your sins; a penalty that you could not pay, and requiring you to believe on him and him alone for salvation is doctrine, without which you cannot be saved.
"Dogma" synonym for teaching.
"catechism" a list of teachings of one's church.
--Without teaching of correct doctrine one cannot be saved. You can believe but if you are not believing of the shed blood of Christ and his atonement for your sins, then you cannot be saved. The RCC does not believe this.
Christ, His shed blood, His death, burial and resurrection and faith that allows someone to proclaim Him Savior and Lord -- that is what makes a believer.
Therefore their "unbelief" makes them an unbeliever.
9 ... f you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
If anything of doctrine, dogma, writ, rote or other extraneous "stuff" canceled out the truth of this verse, Paul would have written the qualifier immediately afterward. He didn't. Deal with it.
You deal with it. The RCC does not believe it. Ask any Catholic if they believe in the doctrine of "Justification by faith alone."
They believe in justification by faith plus works; and that is heresy.
The tenets of the Council of Trent have never been rescinded.
It was there that they denied the "heresy" of sola fide."
It is obvious you have a bias that you must overcome. I hope I get to peak over your shoulder the day we meet in heaven and you are confronted by all the believing Catholics you have rejected in this life. Fortunately, they, and God, will forgive you, as do I now. We'll both have a good laugh over it. God bless.
Study the Catechism and learn what it says. Baptism does not save.
To be a Catholic you must believe that baptism saves. It is called baptismal regeneration. If you follow the RCC then you believe what it teaches, right? Otherwise why are you going there?
Would you faithfully attend a Hindu Temple and not call yourself a Hindu?
Would you faithfully attend a Mosque without denying that you are a Muslim.
You go to these places of worship because you believe what they teach.
If the adherents of the RCC don't believe in the Catholic faith, then why do they go there? A Catholic is one who adheres to Catechism and believes what it teaches. A Catholic is not one who enters the church because he likes liturgical services and becomes emotionally satisfied. That is not a Catholic. A Catholic is defined by doctrine not by emotion.
If you don't believe start a thread in the Other Religions Forum, and discuss the subject with the Catholics that post there. They will straighten you out in short order.
