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How Catholics Think

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saturneptune

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That, preacher4 truth is far from the truth, may even be considered blasphemy by some, like me. Catholics do not pray to Mary or Saints, they simply quote scripture, see Luke 1:27-35. Because they have statutes does not mean they are worshiping idols, it is symbolic Jesus on the Cross, and the Saint of God; in the same way the flag represents the country, and for which it stands for, ie, freedom. The apostles questioned Jesus when they saw other casting out demons. Jesus said to "leave them alone, whoever is for Me is not against Me". Proverbs 12:22, "Lying lips are an abomination unto the Lord". Proverbs 26:24. Proverbs 6:19 "The Lord hates.,..one who sows discord among brethren." You have "proof"? What, may I ask?

No idea what P4T said, but this person is one of two I have put on ignore in eight years. Nothing he says has any credibility.
 

HungryInherit

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Bad theology ...

The lyrics:

And must I be to judgment bro’t,
And answer in that day
For ev’ry vain and idle tho’t
And ev’ry word I say?

Chorus: We are passing away, we are passing away,
We are passing away to that great judgment day.

Yes, ev’ry secret of my heart
Shall shortly be made known;
And I receive my just desert
For all that I have done.

(Chorus)

How careful, then, ought I to be,
With what religious fear,
Who such a strict account must give
For my behavior here.

(Chorus)​

Christians are not judged by our thoughts, words and deeds as the song suggests. John Watson and Charles Wesley, (brother of John) wrote the song in 1783. They believed one could lose one's salvation, and that is reflected in the song. You're right to "think long and hard" about it, EWF. Many Christians, Catholic and Protestant, think the theology of this song is correct. Many among those same groups do not.

Wrong, dead wrong. This song seems to be about the judgement seat of Christ. Bad theology? 2 Corinthians 5:10
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Wrong, dead wrong. This song seems to be about the judgement seat of Christ. Bad theology? 2 Corinthians 5:10

And....

"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned," (Matt. 12:36).
 
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JohnDeereFan

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Robjoshua35 said:
Catholics do not pray to Mary or Saints, they simply quote scripture

OK. I'll bite: Where in scripture do we see a prayer to "St. Michael the Archangel"? For that matter, where in scripture do we ever see that angels are saints?

Because they have statutes does not mean they are worshiping idols

So, when I'm driving to the beach (sorry, that's "down the shore" to my neighbors) and see people kneeling in prayer and laying offerings at the feet of the Padre Pio shrine or when I drive over the Delaware Memorial Bridge and see people gathered around that monstrous chrome statue of ary and see people kneeling and laying offerings at its feet, what in the world are they doing if not worshipping them?

it is symbolic Jesus on the Cross

Where is the victorious Jesus? Where is the Jesus who was raised on the third day to show that the Father accepted His sacrifice, to show His mastery over death and sin, to be a testimony to us that, if God raised Him up, He'll raise us up, and to fulfill prophecy?

Why is Jesus always the victim in Catholicism and never the victor? How many times must Catholics re-sacrifice Him when the Bible tells us that His sacrifice was once and for all?

The apostles questioned Jesus when they saw other casting out demons. Jesus said to "leave them alone, whoever is for Me is not against Me".

Jesus was trying to quell a squabble between factions, not talking about those who preach a false gospel, in this case, Catholicism.

The Lord hates.,..one who sows discord among brethren."

Catholics are not our brothers. No more than Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses are our brothers.
 
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preacher4truth

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OK. I'll bite: Where in scripture do we see a prayer to "St. Michael the Archangel"? For that matter, where in scripture do we ever see that angels are saints?



So, when I'm driving to the beach (sorry, that's "down the shore" to my neighbors) and see people kneeling in prayer and laying offerings at its feet at the Padre Pio shrine or when I drive over the Delaware Memorial Bridge and see people gathered around that monstrous chrome statue of ary and see people kneeling and laying offerings at its feet, what in the world are they doing if not worshipping them?



Where is the victorious Jesus? Where is the Jesus who was raised on the third day to show that the Father accepted His sacrifice, to show His mastery over death and sin, to be a testimony to us that, if God raised Him up, He'll raise us up, and to fulfill prophecy?

Why is Jesus always the victim in Catholicism and never the victor? How many times must Catholics re-sacrifice Him when the Bible tells us that His sacrifice was once and for all?



Jesus was trying to quell a squabble between factions, not talking about those who preach a false gospel, in this case, Catholicism.



Catholics are not our brothers. No more than Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses are our brothers.

Good answer and yes he is totally incorrect. I just happened to avoid his twaddle which contained no truth whatsoever.
 

JohnDeereFan

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In all my years of ministry I have never met a Catholic that knew the gospel.
I grew up in a Catholic family. I was a Catholic until I got saved at the age of 20. I never heard the gospel preached in the Catholic, ever! not even once.
Catholics do not believe in salvation by grace through faith, but rather salvation by works. One cannot believe in the Catholic doctrine and be saved at the same time. That is an impossibility. It is the same as saying that one can be a Muslim and a believer at the same time. It can't be done. In both cases the false doctrine must be forsaken.

In my own case, I attended a Catholic Church in Pennsauken, NJ and, every day, after school at St. Stephens', we would ride our bikes over to Tommy's house because that's where all the good places to play and ride our bikes were.

There was also a little fundamentalist Bible church there. One day, we saw some boys playing football on the lawn and asked if we could play with them. They were boys from that church and two of the older "boys" turned out to be the pastor and the youth leader. We would tell them what we learned about God and about religion (remember, this was a Catholic school so religion classes were mandatory) and they would talk to us about it and we would look things up together in the Bible.

It became harder and harder to reconcile what I was learning in my Catholic church and school with what I was reading in the Bible with my new friends. It also made me wonder why, between a Catholic Church and a Catholic school, I wasn't hearing the Gospel like I was at this little Bible church.

I'd like to tell you that a light bulb suddenly went off in my head and that I repented and received Christ there on the spot, but I didn't become a Christian for about another fifteen years. But the Gospel I heard at that little church stuck with me and was the first seed planted in my heart.

I think about those two guys and that little church a lot. I tried to track them down a few months ago, just to see if any of them were still around, but the church has since moved and I don't remember their names. But God does and I trust that He'll honor their faithfulness and that I'll be able to thank them in person one day in Heaven.

I certainly never heard the gospel in the Catholic Church and whenever I witness to a Catholic, to a man, they will always tell me that their salvation is based on their membership in the Catholic Church or their adherence to Catholic salvific rituals.
 

Yeshua1

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OK. I'll bite: Where in scripture do we see a prayer to "St. Michael the Archangel"? For that matter, where in scripture do we ever see that angels are saints?



So, when I'm driving to the beach (sorry, that's "down the shore" to my neighbors) and see people kneeling in prayer and laying offerings at its feet at the Padre Pio shrine or when I drive over the Delaware Memorial Bridge and see people gathered around that monstrous chrome statue of ary and see people kneeling and laying offerings at its feet, what in the world are they doing if not worshipping them?



Where is the victorious Jesus? Where is the Jesus who was raised on the third day to show that the Father accepted His sacrifice, to show His mastery over death and sin, to be a testimony to us that, if God raised Him up, He'll raise us up, and to fulfill prophecy?

Why is Jesus always the victim in Catholicism and never the victor? How many times must Catholics re-sacrifice Him when the Bible tells us that His sacrifice was once and for all?



Jesus was trying to quell a squabble between factions, not talking about those who preach a false gospel, in this case, Catholicism.



Catholics are not our brothers. No more than Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses are our brothers.

Would say that the Lord has saved in even Rome a faithful remnant, so they are my brothers and Sisters, but wished would come out from there and be deperate!
 

JohnDeereFan

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The cross is empty, the tomb vacant. That's one of my problems with the Catholic Church, portraying Jesus as a suffering man rather than a holy, conquering, Almighty God.

They have to portray Him that way. Otherwise, the constant re-sacrificing of Christ in the Eucharist (according to them) makes no sense.
 

HungryInherit

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JohnDeereFan said this
Why is Jesus always the victim in Catholicism and never the victor? How many times must Catholics re-sacrifice Him when the Bible tells us that His sacrifice was once and for all?
Wow, something I've never thought about and so true. I'm interested to hear why people think this is so. Great post


Edit: sorry I should have read on. Some good points were made
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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JohnDeereFan said this

Wow, something I've never thought about and so true. I'm interested to hear why people think this is so. Great post


Edit: sorry I should have read on. Some good points were made

They will tell you they are instructed by the lord to "Do it in memory of me"
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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Do tell how the catholic church deals with 'restoring' a 'priest' like this. What is protocol?

They hope he rots in jail so they dont have to deal with him any more...... trust me, they already knew he was a Homo......so they pass him from parish to parish & then sometimes send him for psych treatment.....but that wont work cause he joined the Catholic priesthood to have an underground gay lifestyle.

If it was me dealing with him....... ah but its not. Im just thankful that the prisons dont take kindly to pedophiles. And the RC's will defrock him so no lifetime pension for Fruit Loops. GOOD, I HOPE HE ROTS IN HELL!
 

pinoybaptist

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They hope he rots in jail so they dont have to deal with him any more...... trust me, they already knew he was a Homo......so they pass him from parish to parish & then sometimes send him for psych treatment.....but that wont work cause he joined the Catholic priesthood to have an underground gay lifestyle.

If it was me dealing with him....... ah but its not. Im just thankful that the prisons dont take kindly to pedophiles. And the RC's will defrock him so no lifetime pension for Fruit Loops. GOOD, I HOPE HE ROTS IN HELL!

dear Brother,

this doesn't sound like you. especially the words in bold.

that said, I tried out for basketball in my freshman in high school in a (used to be) exclusively boy's Catholic school in the Philippines, and qualified, and they had us newbies sleeping on site during the summer vacation to do pre-season training under the coaches and with the senior players.
so one night we were on lights out around 10 pm, and I was so fired up from the day's training my adrenalin was still going (skipped hot shower) and couldn't sleep and about midnight I see a familiar silhouette come in and quietly creep between the sheets of one of the freshmen players, a good friend of mine who was a tall, handsome, light-skinned mestizo (sorry, you'll have to look up what that means or ask a Filipino friend of yours).
There was some whisperings and some kind of scuffling going on, and finally I heard a coupla sounds kinda like a fist hitting flesh, and the familiar silhouette stood up and hurried out.
Why is it the weirds are mostly in the RC priesthood ?
oh, the silhouette had a shut left eye.
wonder why ?
 

pinoybaptist

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all Roman Catholics are lost.
doctrinally. timely. gospelly.
so are most who make up what we call Christianity.
but I'd be careful judging their eternal statuses in sweeping indictments unless one can show from scripture that DOCTRINE and PRACTICE is a prerequisite to God's mercy and grace (Titus 3:5).
 

Yeshua1

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all Roman Catholics are lost.
doctrinally. timely. gospelly.
so are most who make up what we call Christianity.
but I'd be careful judging their eternal statuses in sweeping indictments unless one can show from scripture that DOCTRINE and PRACTICE is a prerequisite to God's mercy and grace (Titus 3:5).

NO!

Some are saved due to the very grace of god, NOT due to their bad and heretical teachings!

Think DHK was saved out from the church, sure others here can testify to that also!

Believe John macarthur church has several Thousands of his memebers saved while there were still catholic at the time!
 
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