How Do They Know?

[OldRegular]

No, but if that is what you are suggesting then you have taken leave of your senses.
You have avoided the question. You circle around it. You play with words. Your game is semantics and not theology.
The Ephesians were spiritually dead, and you still can't explain what that means, can you?
What does it mean when Paul says: "You were dead" (Eph.2:1)

I have explained, sport! Anything further I would say on the subject would be a waste of time.:BangHead: Incidentally you need to have more respect for the Scriptures. Jesting as you did about the Apostle Paul is simply inappropriate. :tonofbricks: Your Momma needs to take a switch to you!:laugh:

 

[DHK]

I have explained, sport! Anything further I would say on the subject would be a waste of time.:BangHead: Incidentally you need to have more respect for the Scriptures. Jesting as you did about the Apostle Paul is simply inappropriate. :tonofbricks: Your Momma needs to take a switch to you!:laugh:

Surely YOU jest! That is what I said. It is all word games and jokes with you, as the icons in your above post indicate. Correct? You fail to take the Word of God seriously. You can't answer straightforward questions seriously. Not even the simplest of questions regarding definitions of words such as "faith," "death", "new birth," etc. will you answer or define. Your avoidance of the Word of God, and the resistance to take it serious is atrocious behavior on this board.

 

[OldRegular]

Surely YOU jest! That is what I said. It is all word games and jokes with you, as the icons in your above post indicate. Correct? You fail to take the Word of God seriously. You can't answer straightforward questions seriously. Not even the simplest of questions regarding definitions of words such as "faith," "death", "new birth," etc. will you answer or define. Your avoidance of the Word of God, and the resistance to take it serious is atrocious behavior on this board.

It wasn't me who was jesting about Ephesians 2:1. It was you. It was you who asked the asinine question: Is he [the Apostle Paul] speaking of a bodily resurrection here?

It is you who do not take the Word of God seriously otherwise you would believe what it teaches. You were dead in trespass and sins and simply by HIS grace he awakened you from spiritual death and gave you the Faith by which you could accept the Gospel Call. If you would take the Word of God seriously then give HIM all the glory instead nourishing part of it for yourself: the BIG "I".

If you would read my posts without your jaundiced eyes you might learn something. I have answered your questions, even the ridiculous ones.

 

[DHK]

It wasn't me who was jesting about Ephesians 2:1. It was you. It is you who do not take the Word of God seriously otherwise you would believe what it teaches. You were dead in trespass and sins and simply by HIS grace he awakened you from spiritual death and gave you the Faith by which you could accept the Gospel Call. If you would take the Word of God seriously then give HIM all the glory instead nourishing part of it for yourself: the BIG "I".

If you would read my posts without your jaundiced eyes you might learn something. I have answered your questions, even the ridiculous ones.

First of all, as asked many times, just give a simple definition of "dead" or "death". Then we can move on in a more civil and progressive manner. But you can't get past that. You refuse to answer simple questions.

I ask you that simple question for this reason. I truly doubt if you know what it means "to be dead in trespasses and sins." Thus you need to get back to simple definitions. What does it mean to be dead?

You say a person is awakened by His grace. But you can't explain how? You never have answered this question. Is he hit by a bolt of lightning? Does he hear an audible voice, see a vision, goes up to a third heaven and see things that cannot be spoken of: what? How do you know when a person is awakened by His grace? How does any person know if faith is not involved? Is it some kind of magic trick?

Then you say that God gives faith. But you have no Scripture. You say it comes from Eph.2:8, but that is not what Eph.2:8 teaches. It simply says: "For by grace are you saved through faith. It (salvation) is the gift of God..." The subject is salvation. "Through faith" is simply a prepositional phrase describing salvation. It is attained "through faith" Salvation is a gift of God. All of these phrases relate to salvation. "Gift of God" in no way relates to faith. That is poor exegesis on your part, as well as wishful thinking.
Neither does it fit any other Scriptural teaching. You have nothing to back this teaching up with.

 

[OldRegular]

Rant on DHK. I have discussed all the above and presented Scripture to prove my beliefs. You obviously choose to put the BIG "I" between the teaching of Scripture and Salvation. I certainly cannot change that. Only you can with the aid of the HOLY SPIRIT!

I notice you omitted this sentence in your reference to my post: It was you who asked the asinine question: Is he [the Apostle Paul] speaking of a bodily resurrection here? Ashamed? I would be!

 

[DHK]

Rant on DHK. I have discussed all the above and presented Scripture to prove my beliefs. You obviously choose to put the BIG "I" between the teaching of Scripture and Salvation. I certainly cannot change that. Only you can with the aid of the HOLY SPIRIT!

I notice you omitted this sentence in your reference to my post: It was you who asked the asinine question: Is he [the Apostle Paul] speaking of a bodily resurrection here? Ashamed? I would be!

I will ask a question that will seem absurd to you because you can't answer a simple question. See you still beat around the bush. I ask simple questions. You avoid them. You haven't answered these questions. If so, post an URL to your answer where you have satisfactorily given a coherent answer.

 

[OldRegular]

DHK

On a number of occasions you have called me a liar. On other occasions you have snidely questioned my salvation. You do so again when you ask above:

Comment by DHK
I truly doubt if you know what it means "to be dead in trespasses and sins."

Enough said!

 

[DHK]

DHK

On a number of occasions you have called me a liar. On other occasions you have snidely questioned my salvation. You do so again when you ask above:

Enough said!

Now an understanding of the English language is warranted, isn't it?
You say I question your salvation when I simply ask you the meaning of a verse?? That's a first!

I will say again:

Comment by DHK
I truly doubt if you know what it means "to be dead in trespasses and sins."

That is what I said. That is what you quoted from me. It is a direct quote from Ephesians 2:1, and I am asking for the meaning of it. I doubt if you know the meaning for the sheer reason that you refuse to give a definition of the word "dead." If you don't know the Biblical definition of "dead" how on earth would you know what the expression "to be dead in trespasses and sins," means?

BTW, Where have I questioned your salvation?
Get off your high horse and learn to answer some simple questions.

 

[OldRegular]

The Holy Scriptures from the first words in the book of Genesis, In the beginning God created to the last words in the book of Revelation, The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen, are a testimony to the sovereignty of God. By sovereignty is meant, not simply the omnipotence of God, but the exercise of that omnipotence in the governing of all things. Similarly, from the shedding of blood to provide a covering for the nakedness of Adam and Eve, to the birth of Jesus Christ - God the Son, His death and resurrection, and finally to the declaration of His return in power and glory, Scripture clearly declares the sovereignty of God in salvation. God not only takes the initiative in salvation but completes that good work.

Philippians 1:6, KJV
6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[DHK]

The Holy Scriptures from the first words in the book of Genesis, In the beginning God created to the last words in the book of Revelation, The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen, are a testimony to the sovereignty of God. By sovereignty is meant, not simply the omnipotence of God, but the exercise of that omnipotence in the governing of all things. Similarly, from the shedding of blood to provide a covering for the nakedness of Adam and Eve, to the birth of Jesus Christ - God the Son, His death and resurrection, and finally to the declaration of His return in power and glory, Scripture clearly declares the sovereignty of God in salvation. God not only takes the initiative in salvation but completes that good work.

Philippians 1:6, KJV
6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:

And I don't disagree with anything that you just said.
What makes you think that I do?

 

[DHK]

I truly doubt if you know what it means "to be dead in trespasses and sins."

That is what I said. That is what you quoted from me. It is a direct quote from Ephesians 2:1, and I am asking for the meaning of it. I doubt if you know the meaning for the sheer reason that you refuse to give a definition of the word "dead." If you don't know the Biblical definition of "dead" how on earth would you know what the expression "to be dead in trespasses and sins," means?

Your posts above still doesn't answer this simple question does it?

 

[OldRegular]

I truly doubt if you know what it means "to be dead in trespasses and sins."

That is what I said. That is what you quoted from me. It is a direct quote from Ephesians 2:1, and I am asking for the meaning of it. I doubt if you know the meaning for the sheer reason that you refuse to give a definition of the word "dead." If you don't know the Biblical definition of "dead" how on earth would you know what the expression "to be dead in trespasses and sins," means?

The statement "dead in trespasses and sins" is simply the Apostle Paul's brief definition of the doctrine of Total Depravity.

 

[DHK]

The statement "dead in trespasses and sins" is simply the Apostle Paul's brief definition of the doctrine of Total Depravity.

Strike three and your out, OR. Actually since that is the first time you have attempted to answer this question it is only one strike on you. But this says nothing about Total Depravity. And, just as I thought, you have assumed a definition of "dead" which leads you to Total Depravity, which the verse does not teach. "Dead" does not mean without life. Learn what "dead" means and you will learn the teaching of this verse which is far from total depravity.

 

[OldRegular]

Strike three and your out, OR. Actually since that is the first time you have attempted to answer this question it is only one strike on you. But this says nothing about Total Depravity. And, just as I thought, you have assumed a definition of "dead" which leads you to Total Depravity, which the verse does not teach. "Dead" does not mean without life. Learn what "dead" means and you will learn the teaching of this verse which is far from total depravity.

You have a difficult time comprehending the difference between spiritual life and physical life.

In John 10:10 we read: The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Now did Jesus Christ come to give spiritual and eternal life or physical life? Take a guess!

 

[DHK]

You have a difficult time comprehending the difference between spiritual life and physical life.

In John 10:10 we read: The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Now did Jesus Christ come to give spiritual and eternal life or physical life? Take a guess!

A thief comes to destroy. This verse says nothing about death.
What is the meaning of "death"? You haven't answered that yet.

 

[OldRegular]

You have a difficult time comprehending the difference between spiritual life and physical life.

In John 10:10 we read: The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Now did Jesus Christ come to give spiritual and eternal life or physical life? Take a guess!

Non Response by DHK
A thief comes to destroy. This verse says nothing about death.
What is the meaning of "death"? You haven't answered that yet.

DHK

You obviously have difficulty with the English language. You are deliberately distorting Scripture to make whatever point you are trying to make. The passage does not say: "A thief comes to destroy." FYI it states: The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: Now if you cannot draw a connection between kill and death then there is no hope for you.

Furthermore the passage states: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. To which I commented:

Now did Jesus Christ come to give spiritual and eternal life or physical life? Take a guess!

So! Take a guess!

 

[DHK]

DHK
Now if you cannot draw a connection between kill and death then there is no hope for you.

If you can't answer a simple question: "Define death" then perhaps there is no hope for you.
Quit beating around the bush, and just answer a simple question.
No wonder you don't know the meaning of Eph.2:1!

 

[OldRegular]

If you can't answer a simple question: "Define death" then perhaps there is no hope for you.
Quit beating around the bush, and just answer a simple question.
No wonder you don't know the meaning of Eph.2:1!

May I suggest you find a good dictionary. I defined dead in trespass and sins from Ephesians 2:1 in an earlier post. If you don't agree with my response so be it but quit this childish nonsense about defining death!

 

[DHK]

May I suggest you find a good dictionary. I defined dead in trespass and sins from Ephesians 2:1 in an earlier post. If you don't agree with my response so be it but quit this childish nonsense about defining death!

You defined the verse with the vague answer as Eph.2:1 teaching "total depravity."-- an answer based on an erroneous definition of "dead."

But you can't come up with a Biblical definition of "dead," and thus remain in error on Eph.2:1.

 

[OldRegular]

You defined the verse with the vague answer as Eph.2:1 teaching "total depravity."-- an answer based on an erroneous definition of "dead."

But you can't come up with a Biblical definition of "dead," and thus remain in error on Eph.2:1.

DHK

You believe in free will so you are free to believe anything you wish even if it is childish repetition and drivel.:tongue3::smilewinkgrin::tongue3::smilewinkgrin:

Originally Posted by OldRegular
DHK
Now if you cannot draw a connection between kill and death then there is no hope for you.