How do you know true doctrine.

[timtofly]

So if I go and steal from you and take your wife in adultery, and worship idols, that's all fine? I think not....

Jesus also said let the dead bury the dead. Are you trusting Jesus, or human understanding? Do you know that in this US shutdown, funerals ceased? Now they may resume, life may eventually get back to normal. But should we really dismiss all these signs and pretend they did not happen?

 

[Yeshua1]

Do you think that any Seventh-day Adventists are going to heaven, or have a relationship with Jesus Christ, at all?

NOT if they are trusting in keeping the Sabbath, or heeding EW will get them there!

 

[Yeshua1]

Apostolic succession ensures right doctrine and valid Sacraments.

Nope, its the scriptures alone that determines if a church and christian stays right with God!

 

[Yeshua1]

But do you close your eyes to Gods Word in order to heed a 'spirit' which contradicts it. No, its not the Holy Spirit you are 'heeding' but one from another origin that takes you away from Gods truth especially if it is from mans tradition or false proclamation from Popes or religious edicts of Emperors.

The Holy Spirit gave to me the scriptures, not the false revelations of EW!

 

[Yeshua1]

You have to study deeply the true gospel and doctrine of God in His Word, then its easy to spot the false ones...Here is a good example..."“Federal agents don’t learn to spot counterfeit money by studying the counterfeits. They study genuine bills until they master the look of the real thing. Then when they see the bogus money they recognize it.” ... https://www.challies.com/articles/counterfeit-detection-part-1/

Its the scriptures alone, not EW teaching on what they mean!

 

[Yeshua1]

Kinda hard to discuss true doctrine around here - We should discuss why modern day 'Baptist' theology, is not actually Baptist theology ...

The False Gospel of Grace...

There are whole threads now 'missing', being 'disappeared' by the enemy of all souls - the devil. The devil, a physical being, another doctrine denied by Baptists today, though not in the past, hates that truth is being spread, and must social distance from it as much as possible, and lock down as much as he can, while his time is still left. He does this through persons who think they do God service, but in reality they do 'god of this world' service, as it is written:

Joh_16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.​

The devil cannot handle open and public study of the scriptures, and alway resorts to other tactics. The devil has them think that erasing words isn't killing. They do not know their bible and are in great ignorance (not knowing).

Anyways, good thread.

Another good question, is how to identify God's true church, for in scripture, it has specific qualities and characteristics.

The false Gospel is what EW taught, as she denied the true one of Pauline Justification!

 

[Yeshua1]

God saves us individually. "Whoever" believes in Him.. (Acts 10:43). Believers make up the body of Christ (Ephesians 1:13; Colossians 1:18,24). There are certain churches that teach false gospels, which will lead all of those to their doom, who strictly follow the teachings of those particular churches, but those who believe the true gospel (and not just whatever those particular churches teach) are saved regardless of the group with which they are associated.

Conversely, one's church may preach the true gospel and if one truly believes the gospel, then one is saved, (Romans 1:16) but if one does not believe the gospel, then one is lost, even though the official teaching of one's church is correct. Even in false religions and cults, there are those who come to get saved IN SPITE of what their church teaches and NOT BECAUSE of what their church teaches.

There are saved Catholics and Sda members, saved not due to their church doctrines, but by Grave of God, and they need to come out of there!

 

[Van]

Jesus taught that false doctrine and false teachers hinder the entry of the lost into the Kingdom of God, Matthew 23:13. Those that say otherwise have been blinded by the god of this world, IMHO. (2 Cor. 4:4) Scripture says study to show oneself approved (2 Tim. 2:15), so those who study commentary and believe the traditions of men are missing the boat.

 

[Yeshua1]

Amen, but we must read Gods Word individually so we know what is true doctrine, and not traditions of man or doctrines of demons which have entered into many aspects of our society and especially churches.

Or the false teachings of false so called prophets!

 

[Van]

The OP topic was how do we "test the spirits" to see if they are "of God" because many false prophets have gone out into the world, 1 John 4:1. If a lost person cannot discern truth from scripture, as some falsely teach, then the lost have no chance to hold the bogus claims of people up to the Light. When we look down our long and pointy noses at Catholics and Calvinists, we should be mindful that but by the grace of God goes us. Ditto for Catholics looking at non-Catholics and Calvinists looking at non-Calvinists. See how we are led astray?

 

[Yeshua1]

The OP topic was how do we "test the spirits" to see if they are "of God" because many false prophets have gone out into the world, 1 John 4:1. If a lost person cannot discern truth from scripture, as some falsely teach, then the lost have no chance to hold the bogus claims of people up to the Light. When we look down our long and pointy noses at Catholics and Calvinists, we should be mindful that but by the grace of God goes us. Ditto for Catholics looking at non-Catholics and Calvinists looking at non-Calvinists. See how we are led astray?

Calvinists teach the truth of Pauline Justification, while Rome and sda do not!

 

[tyndale1946]

Or the false teachings of false so called prophets!

One rule I have for true doctrine is scripture must harmonize... If scripture contradicts itself then, the false interpretation is in the reader and not the word of God... Scripture must also be rightly divided, don't wrest scripture to your own understanding, scripture interprets itself... If scripture is not revealed, it is concealed and wait on the Lord for true understanding... As far as reading the writings from other followers of the Lord... I always use this scripture as a guideline... Brother Glen

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

 

[Yeshua1]

One rule I have for true doctrine is scripture must harmonize... If scripture contradicts itself then, the false interpretation is in the reader and not the word of God... Scripture must also be rightly divided, don't wrest scripture to your own understanding, scripture interprets itself... If scripture is not revealed, it is concealed and wait on the Lord for true understanding... As far as reading the writings from other followers of the Lord... I always use this scripture as a guideline... Brother Glen

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Sound advise, as both Joseph Smith and ellen White fail those tests!

 

[Van]

Calvinists teach the truth of Pauline Justification, while Rome and sda do not!

Non germane deflection, asserting that if I have it right at one place, it suggests infallibility. Nonsense.

The OP topic was how do we "test the spirits" to see if they are "of God" because many false prophets have gone out into the world, 1 John 4:1. If a lost person cannot discern truth from scripture, as some falsely teach, then the lost have no chance to hold the bogus claims of people up to the Light. When we look down our long and pointy noses at Catholics and Calvinists, we should be mindful that but by the grace of God goes us. Ditto for Catholics looking at non-Catholics and Calvinists looking at non-Calvinists. See how we are led astray?

 

[Yeshua1]

Non germane deflection, asserting that if I have it right at one place, it suggests infallibility. Nonsense.

Would you agree with that statement?

 

[Van]

Would you agree with that statement?

The OP topic was how do we "test the spirits" to see if they are "of God" because many false prophets have gone out into the world, 1 John 4:1. If a lost person cannot discern truth from scripture, as some falsely teach, then the lost have no chance to hold the bogus claims of people up to the Light. When we look down our long and pointy noses at Catholics and Calvinists, we should be mindful that but by the grace of God goes us. Ditto for Catholics looking at non-Catholics and Calvinists looking at non-Calvinists. See how we are led astray?

 

[Darrell C]

and others teach what they learned from others or ministers and don't even verify what they were told

I think this is the primary problem in the Church today. And not just "others," but most. And because of loyalty to favorite teachers and preachers, the reaction is usually hostility if you disagree with something someone holds to or teaches. It all comes down to being able to verify from Scripture the doctrine you hold to.

God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Do you think that any Seventh-day Adventists are going to heaven, or have a relationship with Jesus Christ, at all?

Salvation is a matter of believing the Gospel and embracing Christ as Savior, recognizing that He died in your stead. Do you think there are any Seventh Day Adventists that do that?

God bless.

 

[tyndale1946]

Sound advise, as both Joseph Smith and ellen White fail those tests!

I'll let you brethren fight those battles, they are of no interest to me... Brother Glen

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

 

[Yeshua1]

The OP topic was how do we "test the spirits" to see if they are "of God" because many false prophets have gone out into the world, 1 John 4:1. If a lost person cannot discern truth from scripture, as some falsely teach, then the lost have no chance to hold the bogus claims of people up to the Light. When we look down our long and pointy noses at Catholics and Calvinists, we should be mindful that but by the grace of God goes us. Ditto for Catholics looking at non-Catholics and Calvinists looking at non-Calvinists. See how we are led astray?

Paul stated that the natural, as in unsaved sinner, does not and cannot receive with understanding spiritual things of God!

 

[Yeshua1]

Salvation is a matter of believing the Gospel and embracing Christ as Savior, recognizing that He died in your stead. Do you think there are any Seventh Day Adventists that do that?

God bless.

To have the real and right Gospel, must have Pauline Justification, and the sda do not have that!