How many more murders is your gun worth?

[AustinC]

1300 per year is small in comparison to other causes. You and the other leftists are not concerned about kids. If you were, you would not support and enable abortion. You seriously want to get up in arms about 1300 when they are being butchered en masse by abortion?

Again, you are avoiding the topic and bringing in strawman. You make claims about me that are patently false statements while avoiding the facts regarding guns.

 

[AustinC]

I won’t speak for AustinC, but I’m certain he is prolife. He can correct me if I’m wrong.

The 1300 are all preventable if adults safely locked the guns away. Not everyone grows up in a household that teaches firearm safety.

peace to you

Thank you. Yes, I am pro-life and I actually put my money to that cause as well as my time.
@Reynolds is simply thrashing about in an attempt to avoid the data regarding gun use.

 

[Wingman68]

 

[canadyjd]

Thank you. Yes, I am pro-life and I actually put my money to that cause as well as my time.
@Reynolds is simply thrashing about in an attempt to avoid the data regarding gun use.

Off topic, but my wife and I support a local charity that helps young women (and the fathers) decide to have the child. They provide prenatal doctor visits, counseling (fathers and mothers) on raising the child, and financial support for necessities in the early years.

It’s been around about ten years, I think, and they’ve helped dozens of young women and couples keep their babies.

now, back to guns

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

I am not avoiding the data. 1300 is insignificant in comparison to other causes of childhood death.

Thank you. Yes, I am pro-life and I actually put my money to that cause as well as my time.
@Reynolds is simply thrashing about in an attempt to avoid the data regarding gun use.

 

[AustinC]

I am not avoiding the data. 1300 is insignificant in comparison to other causes of childhood death.

1300 lives ended every year by accidental gun fire is not insignificant.

You want to compare to something else in order to downplay people dying from guns in the house.

If the average is 1300 per year, then we have 13,000 dead children every decade because of unsecured fire arms.

Solution: Secure your firearms in a locked gun cabinet.

 

[kyredneck]

You make claims about me that are patently false statements while avoiding the facts

You've done that very thing to me repeatedly. Take the log from your own eye first.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

My problem with the question in the OP is, that I don't think giving up my forearms will keep anyone from being murdered.

 

[AustinC]

You've done that very thing to me repeatedly. Take the log from your own eye first.

I have looked at your position on justification and seen that you teach justification by faith + works, which is the teaching of Rome. I am not false in stating this and connecting you to Rome regarding justification. Otherwise, I cannot recall anything else I may have claimed about you. Certainly I never said you supported abortion.

 

[777]

I am not avoiding the data. 1300 is insignificant in comparison to other causes of childhood death.

that data must be outdated because:

Although there are still far too many unintentional firearm deaths, the number of unintentional firearm deaths has decreased over the past two decades. In the first decade of the 21st century, there were 691 annual unintentional firearm deaths (all ages); in contrast, in the second decade (2010-2019), there were 512 annual unintentional firearm deaths (all ages), a 35% decrease. Similarly, the number of unintentional firearm deaths among children and teens (ages 0-19) dropped by 23%, from an average of 154 annually from 2000-2009 to 118 annually from 2010-2019.34 The expansion of interventions to improve safer firearm storage and handling practices may contribute to further decreases in unintentional firearm deaths in the years to come.

Unintentional Shootings - The Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence (efsgv.org)

nowhere near 1300, even including everybody. Wiki says there are 393,347,000 firearms in the US, this breaks down the death rates:

Gun deaths in the U.S.: 10 key questions answered | Pew Research Center

you're never going to get them. Molon labe.

 

[AustinC]

that data must be outdated because:



Unintentional Shootings - The Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence (efsgv.org)

nowhere near 1300, even including everybody. Wiki says there are 393,347,000 firearms in the US, this breaks down the death rates:

Gun deaths in the U.S.: 10 key questions answered | Pew Research Center

you're never going to get them. Molon labe.

How many deaths are acceptable to you?
It's interesting to me to see how on abortion, one child dying is too many, but when children are killed by guns...all of a sudden the deaths aren't really significant.
Here you spend time looking for some other statistic that can downplay the deaths of children by guns in the home while never acknowledging that one death is too many.

 

[canadyjd]

How many deaths are acceptable to you?
It's interesting to me to see how on abortion, one child dying is too many, but when children are killed by guns...all of a sudden the deaths aren't really significant.
Here you spend time looking for some other statistic that can downplay the deaths of children by guns in the home while never acknowledging that one death is too many.

The “one death is too many” argument is often used in an abusive way to sidestep actual debate.

I agree all deaths are tragic. Especially children. But the larger issue is the role of government to control its citizens by violating the 2nd amendment.

I think the point being made is that with 400,000,000 guns compared to about 1000 deaths, the consequences are, purely from a statistical viewpoint, not particularly inductive of the need for major gun regulations.

peace to you

 

[AustinC]

The “one death is too many” argument is often used in an abusive way to sidestep actual debate.

I agree all deaths are tragic. Especially children. But the larger issue is the role of government to control its citizens by violating the 2nd amendment.

I think the point being made is that with 400,000,000 guns compared to about 1000 deaths, the consequences are, purely from a statistical viewpoint, not particularly inductive of the need for major gun regulations.

peace to you

However, I am not arguing to stop gun ownership. I am arguing that guns should be secured in a locked gun case to stop accidental gun fire in a house.

I do find the paranoia of intruders as a reason to keep a gun locked and loaded to be interesting and mostly silliness.

 

[canadyjd]

However, I am not arguing to stop gun ownership. I am arguing that guns should be secured in a locked gun case to stop accidental gun fire in a house.

I do find the paranoia of intruders as a reason to keep a gun locked and loaded to be interesting and mostly silliness.

The logistics needed for the federal government to somehow oversee every gun in the US being “secured in a locked gun case” would be overwhelming; simply impossible.

There are already laws in states that result in “endangering the welfare” of a child charges if a gun is not secured and a child is injured or killed.

Sometimes politicians or activists scream “we have to do something” even though their proposals would do nothing to help the problem. They seem to want credit for compassion even if their ideas and policies are total failures.

FTR, paranoia is justified in some places.

peace to you

 

[AustinC]

The logistics needed for the federal government to somehow oversee every gun in the US being “secured in a locked gun case” would be overwhelming; simply impossible.

There are already laws in states that result in “endangering the welfare” of a child charges if a gun is not secured and a child is injured or killed.

Sometimes politicians or activists scream “we have to do something” even though their proposals would do nothing to help the problem.

FTR, paranoia is justified in some places.

peace to you

I agree. I am staying that guns should be kept in locked cabinets in homes.
Clearly this thread displays that we have a lot of people in the US who live in fear and don't think their guns will result in an accidental death in their homes.

 

[canadyjd]

I agree. I am staying that guns should be kept in locked cabinets in homes.
Clearly this thread displays that we have a lot of people in the US who live in fear and don't think their guns will result in an accidental death in their homes.

We can agree guns “should be” secured. I don’t want the fed or state forcing people to secure their guns as people can assess their own needs and make their own decisions.

Maybe they don’t think their guns will result in an accidental death because the overwhelming majority do not result in accidental deaths in their homes.

You seem to think gun owners, in general, are not aware of the risks and just keep their guns laying all over the house just waiting for a bad guy to jump through a window.

Every gun owner I know safely stores their guns. Believe it or not, these folks aren’t hoping someone breaks in so they can shoot them. They aren’t living in fear of the same.

it’s kind of like learning martial arts. When you have the confidence you can defend yourself, you are not living in fear of a life threatening encounter because you are confident you can handle it.

peace to you

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Therapy dogs travel 800 miles to comfort Highland Park residents after mass shooting
Therapy dogs travel 800 miles to comfort Highland Park residents after mass shooting

So by your logic (or lack of) once guns are illegal gun crime will end?

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Bleeding heart commies are relentless to try any/every tactic to take our rights, and the shame is it must work, or they wouldn't keep playing this angle.

I can't help but notice OP hasn't responded to anyone.

 

[Reynolds]

How many deaths are acceptable to you?
It's interesting to me to see how on abortion, one child dying is too many, but when children are killed by guns...all of a sudden the deaths aren't really significant.
Here you spend time looking for some other statistic that can downplay the deaths of children by guns in the home while never acknowledging that one death is too many.

When you eliminate abortion deaths, car accident deaths, atv deaths,drownings, get back to me.

 

[Wingman68]

I can't help but notice OP hasn't responded to anyone.

If you block the OP, you’ll never even notice, nor will you miss anything useful.