How many sins to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop?

[Brother Bob]

Am I to understand you saying then, that the countless Baptists pastors and members who have fallen victim to adultery and such like, but repented and got back on the right track are not true Christians?

No Sir; If they repented and were born again they are on the right track.

If they continued on with the way they were as hypocrits, then they still are hypocrits. If you want to believe Christians commit adultery that is up to you, I do not believe it.

Would you consider a so called Christian who commits adultery a "hypocrit"?

 

[Grasshopper]

Personally, I believe we inherit the sin of Adam, and there is no particular sin that we commit which puts us in hell.

Bingo! It is not a sin that sends us to eternal destruction, it is the righteousness of Christ that gives us immortality and eternal life.

And if this is true (that we pay for our own sins only) then why do we spend eternity paying for a sin that may have occupied only a few seconds of our lifetime and may have offended no one but God?

I am beginning to question the entire doctrine of unending suffering as eternal punishment. It seems the Bible teaches death and destruction for those who reject Christ. How can a lost man suffer endlessly forever if he is not immortal? Immortality is a gift from God through Christ alone.


Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Only God has immortality:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

So when does the lost man put on his immortality?

What does “perish” mean?

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Does “perish” mean to exist forever? Isn’t that everlasting life?

What does “destroy” mean?

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Does destroy mean never being destroyed?

Why was Adam never warned of this unending torture? He was simply told he would die and return to dust.

 

[TCGreek]

No Sir; If they repented and were born again they are on the right track.

If they continued on with the way they were as hypocrits, then they still are hypocrits. If you want to believe Christians commit adultery that is up to you, I do not believe it.

1. You're contradicting yourself. If I as a baptist pastor commit adultery and then repented, that doesn't mean I never committed it.

2. As a Christian I committed it and repented. I committed it. Repentance is not going to change the fact that I committed it.

3. But you say that Christians don't commit adultery.

 

[TCGreek]

Bingo! It is not a sin that sends us to eternal destruction, it is the righteousness of Christ that gives us immortality and eternal life.



I am beginning to question the entire doctrine of unending suffering as eternal punishment. It seems the Bible teaches death and destruction for those who reject Christ. How can a lost man suffer endlessly forever if he is not immortal? Immortality is a gift from God through Christ alone.


Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Only God has immortality:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

So when does the lost man put on his immortality?

What does “perish” mean?

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Does “perish” mean to exist forever? Isn’t that everlasting life?

What does “destroy” mean?

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Does destroy mean never being destroyed?

Why was Adam never warned of this unending torture? He was simply told he would die and return to dust.

Are you leaning toward annihilationism?

 

[npetreley]

3. So what is the effect and the extent of the Atonement of Christ if believers have to pay for their own sins? I can understand that unbelievers pay for their own sins, but why should believers have to pay for their own sins?

Don't confuse what I said with what Josie Jump and the Pussycats said. I'm only talking about unbelievers. He believes believers pay for their (unconfessed) sins during the millenium. That might be an interesting follow-up question for ME folks -- why do they spend 1,000 years paying for a sin that lasted a few seconds? But that's not the question I'm asking. One heretical doctrine at a time, please.

 

[Grasshopper]

If you want to believe Christians commit adultery that is up to you, I do not believe it.

Do you think anybody at the Church at Corinth was a Christian?

 

[Grasshopper]

Are you leaning toward annihilationism?

Yes, I think one can come to that conclusion from scripture. Still studying the subject.

 

[TCGreek]

Don't confuse what I said with what Josie Jump and the Pussycats said. I'm only talking about unbelievers.

1. Well, if you are talking about unbelievers then the bible is clear.

2. Why are the ME guys trying to reinvent the wheel? It's not broken.

 

[Brother Bob]

1. You're contradicting yourself. If I as a baptist pastor commit adultery and then repented, that doesn't mean I never committed it.

2. As a Christian I committed it and repented. I committed it. Repentance is not going to change the fact that I committed it.

3. But you say that Christians don't commit adultery.

right..................

 

[TCGreek]

Yes, I think one can come to that conclusion from scripture. Still studying the subject.

1. Where's your Scripture?

2. The famed John Stott went that way for a season and now he considers himself an agnostic about eternal fire.

3. Was Jesus that ambiguous?

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
If you want to believe Christians commit adultery that is up to you, I do not believe it.



Do you think anybody at the Church at Corinth was a Christian?

They were unsaved among them alright as there are among us today.

1Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

 

[TCGreek]

They were unsaved among them alright as there are among us today.

1Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

So the pastor who has preached faithfully for 20yrs but then commits adultery was not a Christian all along? Is that what you want us to believe?

 

[Brother Bob]

Why did he have to commit adultery. I have known several.

Can't Christians keep from committing adultery?

 

[Grasshopper]

Why did he have to commit adultery. I have known several.

Can't Christians keep from committing adultery?

Can't they keep from losing their temper or overeating or anything else?

 

[Grasshopper]

1. Where's your Scripture?

2. The famed John Stott went that way for a season and now he considers himself an agnostic about eternal fire.

3. Was Jesus that ambiguous?

I provided several.

 

[Brother Bob]

Can't they keep from losing their temper or overeating or anything else?

That is no answer, those don't compare to adultery. Why don't you just answer the question?

Can't a Christian keep from committing adultery? What about blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, can a Christian keep from committing that one?

 

[TCGreek]

I provided several.

You will have to work that doctrine out.

 

[Grasshopper]

That is no answer, those don't compare to adultery.

Oh, so some sins a Christian can committ others they can't.

Why don't you just answer the question?
Can't a Christian keep from committing adultery?

Sure, just as they can keep from overeating and losing their temper. Your wife is a lucky lady to have a sinless man as yourself as a husband.

What about blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, can a Christian keep from committing that one?

Is this a trick question? Do you mean, could a person commit this sin and yet be a Christian?

 

[Grasshopper]

You will have to work that doctrine out.

Ok, This is what I have been doing.

 

[J. Jump]

It becomes the system of belief that is most important to them.

Tim I don't think you know any of us well enough to tell us what is most important to us and what is not. Maybe I'm not reading you correctly in this statement.

Are you saying that doctrine is more important to us than what Scripture says?