How much of a "sinner" are we really?

[ehbowen]

...but inwardly he knows he’ finished and knows what awaits him.... and he trembles. He ain’t on team Jesus.

I would argue that Satan, much like God, is a non-temporal being and as such receives, processes, and responds to information in a much different way than we humans or even the other angels do. The difference is that our God has spent a great deal of time and effort...up to and including the Incarnation...to understand us and our perspective. Satan has not. Based upon what the Voice of Revelation (12:12) stated, that Satan knows he has but a little time, I'm sure that he sees the walls closing in around him. But I've come to appreciate Satan's personality, and I think that he fancies himself an escape artist. I think that he believes that he can still slip away, even at this late date. I think he's wrong. But I think that he himself doesn't realize that, and when the door really does slam shut...he'll be (unpleasantly!) surprised.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Paul speaking as a Jew before conversion?

Written in the Present tense. Paul speaking of himself as a saved sinner. When Paul writes of himself as the 'chief of sinners' in 1 Timothy 1:15, he again uses the Present tense.

 

[Rhetorician]

I sin because I'm a sinner. But I am neither a "particular redemptionist" nor an "arminian"

SW,

Me thinks you need to look a little deeper, you are already confessing to one over against the other and may not even know it?

My thoughts!

Yours?

sdg!

rd

 

[Rhetorician]

So we are not supposed to like sin? I know I know....as the story goes, we get saved and we build up an aversion to it. As for me, only somewhat. see I like to sin....I prefer it for what it is, "REALITY" & everything else is confusion, hypocrisy & delusion. Just look at this nonsense going on right now with immigration. We all know what trump & his merry band of conspirators were attempting to do, only it blew up in their faces. I don't fault them for trying to pull off something, what I fault them for is not planning better & then [Edit: crude language removed] it up. Now they look shabby. But trump knows his trumpster base will forgive him anything, so for now they will cover him. Circle the [Edit: crude language removed] wagons boys & girls, LOL.

Now here is the thing, do you consider this whole cabal a sinful operation? Some would say Oh Yea then others will work to cover it up ... [Edit: crude language removed] ! You don't have to answer, just do some deep thinking on it for awhile.

Tell you the truth, all this is really enjoyable to a guy like me, I know there is a ton of money behind it, as with every one of these ....ahhh, political endeavors and then there is where scripture remarks, "money is the answer to all things," so I should let that be the answer to my [Edit: profane language removed] Calvinistic conscience. This guy trump has no scruples, the evangelicals applaud all his actions, indeed provide cover for him....so why should I ....and these trump observations have taught me some valuable lessons...win at any cost and if scruples are getting in the way they are to be strangled and denounced openly & publicly mourned. Thank you Donald Trump !

EWF,

Was that you that edited out the [crude language] or one of the Administrator's? What was that all about? I never meant to provoke such indeed!

sdg!

rd

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Written in the Present tense. Paul speaking of himself as a saved sinner. When Paul writes of himself as the 'chief of sinners' in 1 Timothy 1:15, he again uses the Present tense.

EWF,

Was that you that edited out the [crude language] or one of the Administrator's? What was that all about? I never meant to provoke such indeed!

sdg!

rd

provoke such what?

 

[Reynolds]

Written in the Present tense. Paul speaking of himself as a saved sinner. When Paul writes of himself as the 'chief of sinners' in 1 Timothy 1:15, he again uses the Present tense.

He is speaking of how he views himself. He is quite plain in his other writings such as Rom 1:17, 3:22 etc. that he knows that Christ blood made him righteous. One can not positionally be both righteous and a sinner. When Paul speaks of being a sinner, he is speaking of his actions, not his position in Christ or the state of his soul.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Would we be in trouble if we took these literally?... Thoughts?... Brother Glen

Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

They are skrewed

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Agreed, certainly...but if we finish a big project at work and the guys want to head to the local 'Hooter's wannabe' establishment for a couple of cold ones, I no longer have a problem joining them for a beer, two Cokes, and a plate of chicken wings.

That’s what your stomach feels like a few hours after the chicken wings.

 

[1689Dave]

Written in the Present tense. Paul speaking of himself as a saved sinner. When Paul writes of himself as the 'chief of sinners' in 1 Timothy 1:15, he again uses the Present tense.

I disagree. Paul was not the most wicked after conversion. But certainly was before. If you, as he says, walk in the Spirit you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. And I'm certain Paul practiced what he preached. Certainly you have experienced this?

 

[1689Dave]

Actually, I agree with others who have said that the opposite of love is not hatred, but indifference. There's a reason that Jesus is quoted as saying, "...I would thou wert cold or hot (Revelation 3:15b, KJV)." Speaking as someone who has interacted with quite a few witches and pagans, I think that it's easier for God to connect with and reach a witch or a pagan than someone who can look at these situations...such as are discussed on talk radio...and simply not care.

Edit To Add: There are some things...such as the deeds of the Nicolaitans...which God says that he hates, as well. There are things in this world that we should hate...and, if we don't, I say it's sin!

Thanks for sharing. I see indifference as hatred. Love takes action, hatred abandons the idea.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Thanks for sharing. I see indifference as hatred. Love takes action, hatred abandons the idea.

Dave, that’s the way the Catholics feel. To them, action is the key.

I reject your idea that indifference as haters. Rather it’s focus on things that are important to our own agenda.

 

[1689Dave]

Dave, that’s the way the Catholics feel. To them, action is the key.

I reject your idea that indifference as haters. Rather it’s focus on things that are important to our own agenda.

If we do what love would do, all will find its proper balance.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If we do what love would do, all will find its proper balance.

You are an idealist, I am not.

 

[1689Dave]

You are an idealist, I am not.

That's OK. But faith without works is dead. And Faith works by love.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That's OK. But faith without works is dead. And Faith works by love.

There is no reason to consern yourself with the world unless you can profit by it

 

[1689Dave]

There is no reason to consern yourself with the world unless you can profit by it

How does this match the sentiments you associate yourself with in your signature?

 

[HankD]

I’m going to call you Mr. Godly Thoughts and you can call me Mr Scummy . Tell you what, come with me to Manhattan one day... even better more in summer. We got some darn pretty women... and not wearing allot of clothes. Let’s see how you do

HEY! Don't even make me think about it.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

How does this match the sentiments you associate yourself with in your signature?

It doesn’t. Now does anyone care about those sentiments? No. For all intense and purposes, those sentiments have been ignored by this board. They are probably seen as the ramblings of a yankee Catholic liberal. They might be right.

In today’s trumpian world, those words are looked upon as petty sentimentality. In this “new world order” one must protect ones own interests, not consern ones self with others and their condition. So it’s really about refocusing, putting your own agenda in order, concentrating on your own plans and ignoring all else. Wasn’t it Sophocles who said that when a vast force or power enters into the affairs of men, open or secret, it brings with it a curse?

 

[1689Dave]

HEY! Don't even make me think about it.

“I made a covenant with mine eyes; Why then should I think upon a maid? Job 31:1

 

[HankD]

By their fruits shall you know them...

Apples prove an apple tree.
Still, an apple tree is an apple tree before it bears fruit.