How often are firearms used as a defense?

[AustinC]

So in other words you do not hang out with gun owners who practice with their firearms. Perhaps you should meet actual gun owners themselves. You could learn a thing or two.

I grew up in hunting area with kids bringing their guns to school. I have no problem with a person having a shotgun for legal hunting season.
In the city there is a small firearms (pistol) range tucked down along the river. Your comment here is nothing more than a strawman to avoid the fact that people don't need more than a single shot gun to hunt with.

 

[AustinC]

HMMMM
So lets suppose you are in a crowd where there is a mass shooting
Standing next to you is "good guy" - he pulls out his weapon to disable the "bad guy"
Are you going to tell "good guy" that he should put his weapon away - because
he might kill one of Gods creatures??

You see, the problem is that your approach leads to an arms escalation, which has been happening for over a decade now. In your approach the race for bigger and more powerful weapons will always be necessary. How about you just go right to people owning nuclear bombs for protection.
I stand by my assertion that Christian conservative gun owners have set up their guns as an idol in their lives.

If I am killed by a mass shooter, then God takes me out of exile and brings me home to the Kingdom. If unsaved people die, they are responsible for rebelling against the King of Kings. Why would we ever pine for this temporal world?

 

[JonC]

In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens.

Interesting comment. Next question, of course, is how many Americans believe they were abducted by aliens.

 

[AustinC]

In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens.

Interesting comment. Next question, of course, is how many Americans believe they were abducted by aliens.

Randy Quaid...

 

[Reynolds]

In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens.

Interesting comment. Next question, of course, is how many Americans believe they were abducted by aliens.

I have used one many times. I choose to not discuss the aliens

 

[Salty]

You see, the problem is that your approach leads to an arms escalation, which has been happening for over a decade now. In your approach the race for bigger and more powerful weapons will always be necessary. How about you just go right to people owning nuclear bombs for protection.
I stand by my assertion that Christian conservative gun owners have set up their guns as an idol in their lives.

If I am killed by a mass shooter, then God takes me out of exile and brings me home to the Kingdom. If unsaved people die, they are responsible for rebelling against the King of Kings. Why would we ever pine for this temporal world?

Actually I was just looking for a yes or no!

 

[JonC]

I have used one many times. I choose to not discuss the aliens

Yea....as a law enforcement officer I suspect you have.

 

[AustinC]

Actually I was just looking for a yes or no!

You created a strawman and wanted a yes or no to your strawman.
I do not support a citizens arms race.

 

[Reynolds]

You created a strawman and wanted a yes or no to your strawman.
I do not support a citizens arms race.

We wouldn't expect a leftist would.

 

[Reynolds]

You see, the problem is that your approach leads to an arms escalation, which has been happening for over a decade now. In your approach the race for bigger and more powerful weapons will always be necessary. How about you just go right to people owning nuclear bombs for protection.
I stand by my assertion that Christian conservative gun owners have set up their guns as an idol in their lives.

If I am killed by a mass shooter, then God takes me out of exile and brings me home to the Kingdom. If unsaved people die, they are responsible for rebelling against the King of Kings. Why would we ever pine for this temporal world?

So, God is not capable of keeping you safe during an "arms escalation"? You seem to only trust God when it's convenient to you.

 

[Salty]

You created a strawman and wanted a yes or no to your strawman.
I do not support a citizens arms race.

NO - I DID NOT! What I asked is a very valid question!
and I am NOT talking about an arms race -

Unless you have been in that situation -it is extreme hard to honestly answer.

Since I am pro-2nd A - I would be very grateful if "good guy" was able to stop that murder!

 

[Conan]

HMMMM
So lets suppose you are in a crowd where there is a mass shooting
Standing next to you is "good guy" - he pulls

I grew up in hunting area with kids bringing their guns to school. I have no problem with a person having a shotgun for legal hunting season.
In the city there is a small firearms (pistol) range tucked down along the river. Your comment here is nothing more than a strawman to avoid the fact that people don't need more than a single shot gun to hunt with.

And you only need one fishing pole to fish with. What does hunting have to do with the Second Amendment? About as much as fishing. Nothing!

 

[Conan]

In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens.

Interesting comment. Next question, of course, is how many Americans believe they were abducted by aliens.

How silly. Your actually comparing a person that has to defend himself from being under the threat of death and/or great bodily harm to being abducted by aliens? Like crime doesn't really happen or something?

 

[Reynolds]

And you only need one fishing pole to fish with. What does hunting have to do with the Second Amendment? About as much as fishing. Nothing!

I think I have about 70 fishing poles. Usually use about 12 at a time.

 

[AustinC]

NO - I DID NOT! What I asked is a very valid question!
and I am NOT talking about an arms race -

Unless you have been in that situation -it is extreme hard to honestly answer.

Since I am pro-2nd A - I would be very grateful if "good guy" was able to stop that murder!

You made up a hypothetical scenario and wanted a yes/no answer. The Pharisees did the same thing with Jesus. Jesus always responded with a question. I see no problem with how I answered you. You, however, do not like my answer.

 

[AustinC]

So, God is not capable of keeping you safe during an "arms escalation"? You seem to only trust God when it's convenient to you.

Another strawman.
God is certainly able to keep me in all situations. Society is less safe when everyone is walking around in paranoia with guns at their side and the safety off. It's simply wrong to be living in fear of the neighbor who might be the next gun toting criminal. Why? Because, except by the grace of God, you might be the next gun toting criminal. All it takes is one bad decision on your part.
If you and your neighbor don't have guns, you cannot shoot each other. It's pretty simple. Remove guns (there only function is to kill something) and you remove the capacity to kill. Unless you are a government law enforcement officer, you don't need a gun.

 

[Salty]

You made up a hypothetical scenario and wanted a yes/no answer. The Pharisees did the same thing with Jesus. Jesus always responded with a question. I see no problem with how I answered you. You, however, do not like my answer.

HYPOTHETICAL !? - Aren't you are the one who complains about all these shootings?
You stated ". You, however, do not like my answer." -- actually - you are afraid to answer

and there are many cases where someone with a firearm saved many lives! Including in churches!
Do ‘good guys with guns’ stop mass shootings? Here’s what the statistics say | KXAN Austin

and just showing a weapon may be enough to end the threat!

If you want to meet Jesus real soon - be my guest
But I still have lots to do!!!

 

[Salty]

Now, would it be nice to live in a perfect world - of course -
But we know we are NOT in a perfect world!
As this world is under partial control of the "god of this world" (for now)
Is God the Father in full control - of course.
But the Devil has been given leeway - (think Job)

Many like to only give the "perfect" ways of Christ - love one another - be kind, ect
and of course we should attempt these attributes.

BUT do not forget when Christ did have to use forceful methods -
Granted - he did not have to do that often - but - it was effective.

One other thing - a question - for the LEO's here
I have heard that many LEO's have never taken their firearm out of their holster. let alone fire it. during their entire career -
would you say that this link is correct
Survey: Fewer police officers fire their service weapons than Americans think :: Guns.com

 

[Revmitchell]

Another strawman.
God is certainly able to keep me in all situations. Society is less safe when everyone is walking around in paranoia with guns at their side and the safety off. It's simply wrong to be living in fear of the neighbor who might be the next gun toting criminal. Why? Because, except by the grace of God, you might be the next gun toting criminal. All it takes is one bad decision on your part.
If you and your neighbor don't have guns, you cannot shoot each other. It's pretty simple. Remove guns (there only function is to kill something) and you remove the capacity to kill. Unless you are a government law enforcement officer, you don't need a gun.

You don't know anything about guns or why they are owned and carried. All you have done is paint a caricature of what you want to be true. If you don't like them then don't own one.

 

[Reynolds]

Another strawman.
God is certainly able to keep me in all situations. Society is less safe when everyone is walking around in paranoia with guns at their side and the safety off. It's simply wrong to be living in fear of the neighbor who might be the next gun toting criminal. Why? Because, except by the grace of God, you might be the next gun toting criminal. All it takes is one bad decision on your part.
If you and your neighbor don't have guns, you cannot shoot each other. It's pretty simple. Remove guns (there only function is to kill something) and you remove the capacity to kill. Unless you are a government law enforcement officer, you don't need a gun.

That's just some more of your diversionary leftist nonsense. It is not a Strawman because it is the converse of your premise. If you deem it a straw man, it was shameful of you to bring in what you deem to be a Strawman argument. Cars are much more likely to cause me or my neighbor bodily harm than guns are.
If I shoot my neighbor, it will be justified. We shoot together all the time, so I doubt we will shoot each other anytime soon.