How often are firearms used as a defense?

[Reynolds]

Now, would it be nice to live in a perfect world - of course -
But we know we are NOT in a perfect world!
As this world is under partial control of the "god of this world" (for now)
Is God the Father in full control - of course.
But the Devil has been given leeway - (think Job)

Many like to only give the "perfect" ways of Christ - love one another - be kind, ect
and of course we should attempt these attributes.

BUT do not forget when Christ did have to use forceful methods -
Granted - he did not have to do that often - but - it was effective.

One other thing - a question - for the LEO's here
I have heard that many LEO's have never taken their firearm out of their holster. let alone fire it. during their entire career -
would you say that this link is correct
Survey: Fewer police officers fire their service weapons than Americans think :: Guns.com

Most have not fired it at a person. I either had my side arm out of my holster or had a submachine gun or shotgun in hand, almost daily. Every search warrant, tactical entry, felony stop, felony warrant service, violent crime in progress call etc, should be approached with weapon in hand.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

You see, the problem is that your approach leads to an arms escalation, which has been happening for over a decade now. In your approach the race for bigger and more powerful weapons will always be necessary. How about you just go right to people owning nuclear bombs for protection.
I stand by my assertion that Christian conservative gun owners have set up their guns as an idol in their lives.

If I am killed by a mass shooter, then God takes me out of exile and brings me home to the Kingdom. If unsaved people die, they are responsible for rebelling against the King of Kings. Why would we ever pine for this temporal world?

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You are saying guns are only meant to kill people therefore they should be banned. But you are also acknowledging the fact that there will still be shootings and defenseless people will be murdered, but you don't actually care about that.

Your reasoning is incoherent.

 

[Salty]

Most have not fired it at a person. I either had my side arm out of my holster or had a submachine gun or shotgun in hand, almost daily. Every search warrant, tactical entry, felony stop, felony warrant service, violent crime in progress call etc, should be approached with weapon in hand.

I could see a warrant - eps "dangerous criminal" would be an exception.
Would you do the same for - say a traffic warrant?

 

[Salty]

You don't know anything about guns or why they are owned and carried..

Aint that the truth!

All you have done is paint a caricature of what you want to be true. If you don't like them then don't own one.

(bold my emphasis) [/QUOTE]

If you don't like them then don't own one

In his case - he should be red-flagged

 

[JonC]

How silly. Your actually comparing a person that has to defend himself from being under the threat of death and/or great bodily harm to being abducted by aliens? Like crime doesn't really happen or something?

?????

No. I was quoting the article.

It was not comparing people defending themselves to people who claim they were abducted by aliens.

It was comparing the numbers.

People carry guns for self defence. They have a fear of being assaulted and as a result carry a gun. But is their fear statistically justified?

 

[canadyjd]

My personal observation as a conservative Christian.

I just through my back out trying to roll my eyes and fall in the floor laughing at the same time.

I don’t question your faith, but “conservative”? Please stop teasing us like that.

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

I could see a warrant - eps "dangerous criminal" would be an exception.
Would you do the same for - say a traffic warrant?

Not normally. We always ran the criminal history of offender for any warrant. So, if a person out on parole for aggravated assault had a warrant issued on him for failure to appear stop sign violation; he would get the felony treatment. Misd warrants with no extenuating circumstances were usually handled on the phone. Start calling them or family members and tell them to come in and take care of it before we have to come drag you out of bed at 4am.

 

[Revmitchell]

I just through my back out trying to roll my eyes and fall in the floor laughing at the same time.

I don’t question your faith, but “conservative”? Please stop teasing us like that.

peace to you

Well they can call themselves whatever they want to I suppose but the values expressed by them on this board are not conservative values.

 

[JesusFan]

Firearms are used every single day for self defense. Thats every single day. The news media will never tell you about the good shootings. About how 90% of criminals flee when a person uses a firearm in defense. I have excellent statistics. It shocked me just how often. I will try to find some excellent sources and come back with more information. Guns are used for good and it is a heavy percentage of the time. If all the times were told there would be no gun control issue the news media doesn't tell you about the good so most people don't know where think of it.

The Joker killer knew that the last zone in Aurora was a no gun zone, did he drive thru the gun allowed zones by mistake then?

 

[JesusFan]

What is the sole function of a gun?
To kill something God created.
The article provided by the OP and quoted by myself points to the fact that guns rarely are used for self defense. Law enforcement is given license to use by God's authority. No one else needs a gun.

We use guns for target shooting and for hunting, and if needed to defend ourselves and loved ones!

 

[JesusFan]

It also says that the vast, vast majority, including law enforcement are poorly trained and will more than likely screw up when they try to use their firearm.

Is that the fault of the guns or bad training?

 

[JesusFan]

HMMMM
So lets suppose you are in a crowd where there is a mass shooting
Standing next to you is "good guy" - he pulls out his weapon to disable the "bad guy"
Are you going to tell "good guy" that he should put his weapon away - because
he might kill one of Gods creatures??

God already stated His opinion on that, as he stated the one who commits cold blooded murder should forfeit his own life himself!

 

[JesusFan]

In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens.

Interesting comment. Next question, of course, is how many Americans believe they were abducted by aliens.

We have the right to use guns for hunting ad for self protection, per the Constitution!

 

[JesusFan]

Most have not fired it at a person. I either had my side arm out of my holster or had a submachine gun or shotgun in hand, almost daily. Every search warrant, tactical entry, felony stop, felony warrant service, violent crime in progress call etc, should be approached with weapon in hand.

I have yet to see a gun aim at and shoot any person by itself!

 

[JesusFan]

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You are saying guns are only meant to kill people therefore they should be banned. But you are also acknowledging the fact that there will still be shootings and defenseless people will be murdered, but you don't actually care about that.

Your reasoning is incoherent.

IF guns were just banned and made illegal, bad guys still would get a hold of them, and would commit more crimes and killings!

 

[JonC]

We have the right to use guns for hunting ad for self protection, per the Constitution!

Yes we do.

As far as self defence,

My religious beliefs teach me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time of my death. I do not concern myself with that, but to be always ready whenever it may overtake me. That is the way all men should live, and all men would be equally brave. (Jackson)

 

[JesusFan]

Yes we do.

As far as self defence,

My religious beliefs teach me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time of my death. I do not concern myself with that, but to be always ready whenever it may overtake me. That is the way all men should live, and all men would be equally brave. (Jackson)

God also had ordained that at times guns are used to stop the bad guys!

 

[Reynolds]

Yes we do.

As far as self defence,

My religious beliefs teach me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time of my death. I do not concern myself with that, but to be always ready whenever it may overtake me. That is the way all men should live, and all men would be equally brave. (Jackson)

I was about to say you must read T.J. Jackson. Then I got to the end and you confirmed it.

 

[Revmitchell]

I lock my doors to my home at night and when I am gone. I lock the doors to my vehicle when I am not with it. We lock the doors to the church. I buy insurance in case of an accident on my home, truck, and church. I have security systems. I own and carry a gun. Theses things are not done because I live in fear. Such accusations are flaming comments to belittle those with whom they disagree with. Further, it shows a lack of support for their own position. These things are done because of intelligent thoughtful processes. Even the disciples carried swords. Self-defense is not contrary to the Christian faith. Failure to take steps to protect ourselves is a failure to use the reason God gave us.

 

[Wingman68]

IF guns were just banned and made illegal, bad guys still would get a hold of them, and would commit more crimes and killings!

‘Criminals will get firearms with or without gun control’ Joe Biden 1985

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