How often do people really use guns in self-defense

[AustinC]

Why is it that Christians in the USA try to excuse their love of guns and never admit they place their faith in their guns rather than in God?

 

[AustinC]

Do not become the slaves of men scripture says. Do not be the victim of a rapist, serial killer, violent people, murderers.

Context is helpful:

1 Corinthians 7:17-24
Only let each person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him. This is my rule in all the churches. Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God. Each one should remain in the condition in which he was called. Were you a bondservant when called? Do not be concerned about it. (But if you can gain your freedom, avail yourself of the opportunity.) For he who was called in the Lord as a bondservant is a freedman of the Lord. Likewise he who was free when called is a bondservant of Christ. You were bought with a price; do not become bondservants of men. So, brothers, in whatever condition each was called, there let him remain with God.

Conan, this passage never gives you license to play vigilante.

 

[Conan]

Context is helpful:

1 Corinthians 7:17-24
Only let each person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him. This is my rule in all the churches. Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God. Each one should remain in the condition in which he was called. Were you a bondservant when called? Do not be concerned about it. (But if you can gain your freedom, avail yourself of the opportunity.) For he who was called in the Lord as a bondservant is a freedman of the Lord. Likewise he who was free when called is a bondservant of Christ. You were bought with a price; do not become bondservants of men. So, brothers, in whatever condition each was called, there let him remain with God.

Conan, this passage never gives you license to play vigilante.

Nor does the law. We are not playing vigilante. Your projecting that.

 

[Silverhair]

God gave you that right as a part of government. As a Christian, not in enforcement, you have no authority to shoot at any human being. Moreso, as a Christian, you know that the loss of your life is better than the loss of a godless persons life who will spend eternity in hell.

I encourage everyone here to read Peter's epistles and see how Peter calls believers to live.

This argument of self-defense is not found in the church at any time in the New Testament.

Austin I hope you do not have a spouse or children as they are in real trouble if someone attacks them. You would just stand by and let it happen.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God gave you that right as a part of government. As a Christian, not in enforcement, you have no authority to shoot at any human being. Moreso, as a Christian, you know that the loss of your life is better than the loss of a godless persons life who will spend eternity in hell.

I encourage everyone here to read Peter's epistles and see how Peter calls believers to live.

This argument of self-defense is not found in the church at any time in the New Testament.

You totally ignored Peter open carrying a weapon.

That just destroyed any credibility you may have had.

Good day sir.

 

[Reynolds]

Austin I hope you do not have a spouse or children as they are in real trouble if someone attacks them. You would just stand by and let it happen.

Probably watch his wife get raped while waiting for God to show up.

 

[Reynolds]

Why is it that Christians in the USA try to excuse their love of guns and never admit they place their faith in their guns rather than in God?

Why are you such a hypocrite?
You go to Dr?
Take medicine?
Have insurance on your car? House? Any other possession? Have health insurance?
In addition to all that, I also have firearms as Insurance!

 

[Salty]

Why is it that Christians in the USA try to excuse their love of guns and never admit they place their faith in their guns rather than in God?

Probably for the same reason - that you carry life insurance, heath insurance, auto insurance, and home insurance and ect..

Oh that's right - you said that you do not carry any insurance because you trust God to take care of your finances.

 

[Revmitchell]

Why is it that Christians in the USA try to excuse their love of guns and never admit they place their faith in their guns rather than in God?

Why is it that you constantly attack groups of people with whom you disagree with by asserting beliefs on them that you cant really know?

Because your view on this topic is so narrow you cannot fathom any other view than your own. The truth is that reasonable people can disagree on this your posts reveal you are not desiring to be reasonable so you lash out in posts like this one.

 

[AustinC]

Why is it that you constantly attack groups of people with whom you disagree with by asserting beliefs on them that you cant really know?

Because your view on this topic is so narrow you cannot fathom any other view than your own. The truth is that reasonable people can disagree on this your posts reveal you are not desiring to be reasonable so you lash out in posts like this one.

I read the comments in this thread. That's how I know.
What you want, here, is for agreement to your position. When you don't get it...well...we get posts like I am quoting.

It's obvious that people love their guns to the point of idolatry and fear government in spite of God ordaining government for your benefit.

 

[Salty]

...What you want, here, is for agreement to your position. When you don't get it...well... .

Well, Austin, what you want, here is for agreement to your position. When you don't get it...well -you just keep saying the same thing over and over - while refusing to answer many of the questions asked of your.

 

[AustinC]

Well, Austin, what you want, here is for agreement to your position. When you don't get it...well -you just keep saying the same thing over and over - while refusing to answer many of the questions asked of your.

What is your question, Salty?

 

[atpollard]

1 Peter 2:16
Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God.

1 Peter 2:18-25
Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust. For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God. For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

Was that woman in WV wrong to stop that man from shooting more people at that Birthday Party? Would Jesus have wanted her to leave her pistol holstered and allow more women and children to be shot by the man with a rifle? The police would have eventually arrived to count the dead and shoot the gunman. Is that what God would have wanted?

Quoting bible verses is all well and good, but this topic is about a specific application of scripture … so some exegesis or commentary will be required.

 

[atpollard]

Why is it that Christians in the USA try to excuse their love of guns and never admit they place their faith in their guns rather than in God?

I am a Christian.
I live in Florida, USA.
I do not own a gun (so I am clearly not trusting in guns).

Your brush is a little too wide.

A gun is a tool. When it is the right tool for the job at hand, one should own the correct tool and how to use it properly.

 

[AustinC]

Was that woman in WV wrong to stop that man from shooting more people at that Birthday Party?

Stopping a violent person is the correct thing to do.

Would Jesus have wanted her to leave her pistol holstered and allow more women and children to be shot by the man with a rifle?

God, providentially used her to save lives.

The police would have eventually arrived to count the dead and shoot the gunman. Is that what God would have wanted?

God Sovereignly used her. If she broke any WV laws by acting outside the law she will need to face that reality

Quoting bible verses is all well and good, but this topic is about a specific application of scripture … so some exegesis or commentary will be required.

Exegete away my friend.

 

[Revmitchell]

I read the comments in this thread. That's how I know.
What you want, here, is for agreement to your position. When you don't get it...well...we get posts like I am quoting.

It's obvious that people love their guns to the point of idolatry and fear government in spite of God ordaining government for your benefit.

Its not obvious, you cant know that, it is unknowable therefore a false accusation. There are a number of other options available, since the latter is true and you cannot read peoples minds it is clear You are guilty of not only a false accusation but a logical fallacy called the black and white fallacy. You have no sound logic nor reason to make your assertion. It gives appearance that your posts are purely emotional and lashing out.

 

[AustinC]

I am a Christian.
I live in Florida, USA.
I do not own a gun (so I am clearly not trusting in guns).

Your brush is a little too wide.

A gun is a tool. When it is the right tool for the job at hand, one should own the correct tool and how to use it properly.

I agree, a gun is a tool. As I have said, it is a tool for one purpose...to kill a living being created by God.
God has given government the right to execute justice. I do not see where God endorses vigilante actions.

My brush is meant to convict any believer who trusts in their gun to protect them. My brush is meant to convict the believer who harbors rebellion against God's ordained government as an option for Christians to participate in.

 

[AustinC]

Its not obvious, you cant know that, it is unknowable therefore a false accusation. There are a number of other options available, since the latter is true and you cannot read peoples minds it is clear You are guilty of not only a false accusation but a logical fallacy called the black and white fallacy. You have no sound logic nor reason to make your assertion. It gives appearance that your posts are purely emotional and lashing out.

This is certainly your opinion.

Will you give up your guns if God demands you do so?

 

[Salty]

What is your question, Salty?

Do you carry life insurance, heath insurance, auto insurance, and home insurance and ect..

Based on what you said - there is no need to do so because you trust God to take care of your finances.

 

[Revmitchell]

This is certainly your opinion.

Will you give up your guns if God demands you do so?

Absolutely, got to be one of the most ridiculous questions asked on this board.