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How often do people really use guns in self-defense

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AustinC

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stop driving any vehicle, using any utinsels, as many have been hurt a killed by using those items!
Not comparible. All your examples are not tools specifically designed with the only purpose being to kill a living being. Guns are a one utility tool.
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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Urban Ding Dongs think they know it all. That was definitely odd behavior for a bear.
For sure.

My neighbors and I have had 20 different run-ins with bears. Usually you make some noise and let them know you're there and they take off and we leave each other alone. This one had something wrong...

He was a boar, so maybe some testosterone thing was going on...
 

AustinC

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For sure.

My neighbors and I have had 20 different run-ins with bears. Usually you make some noise and let them know you're there and they take off and we leave each other alone. This one had something wrong...

He was a boar, so maybe some testosterone thing was going on...
Black bears almost always run away, unless it's a momma with cubs. Have a dog with you and you're fine. No gun needed.
 

Revmitchell

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Not comparible. All your examples are not tools specifically designed with the only purpose being to kill a living being. Guns are a one utility tool.

Once again you do not know what you are talking about. The specific design of a gun is not the sole purpose to kill people. That is an oppositional caricature that bears no truth. The very specific design and purpose of a gun it to protect. Police who have guns as a tool to do their job do not carry them to kill anyone. While guns can kill that is not evidence that killing is their sole use. Further, guns are used for a number of other things.

The reason gun ownership is important is because it isa foundational right set forth by this country. It serves to keep tyrannical governments at bay. Our country was designed to give very little trust to governments, they are understood to be a necessary evil, and to understand that men will try to use government as a tool to impose their will on others. Maybe you don't like it. But in order to enforce these tyrannical gun laws the country would have to agree to amend the Constitution.
 

AustinC

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Once again you do not know what you are talking about. The specific design of a gun is not the sole purpose to kill people. That is an oppositional caricature that bears no truth. The very specific design and purpose of a gun it to protect. Police who have guns as a tool to do their job do not carry them to kill anyone. While guns can kill that is not evidence that killing is their sole use. Further, guns are used for a number of other things.

The reason gun ownership is important is because it isa foundational right set forth by this country. It serves to keep tyrannical governments at bay. Our country was designed to give very little trust to governments, they are understood to be a necessary evil, and to understand that men will try to use government as a tool to impose their will on others. Maybe you don't like it. But in order to enforce these tyrannical gun laws the country would have to agree to amend the Constitution.
Read what I wrote.

The gun has one function as a tool. That function is to kill a living being (hint: any animal or human).

The government can make some guns illegal for public use without breaking the 2nd Amendment.
 
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BasketFinch

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The pattern of mass shootings in America before was pretty consistent in its repetitiveness.

Out of the blue a mass killing in a school. Innocents gunned down sparks outrage.
Shortly after, another mass shooting of adults.
Days, maybe a week later, another mass shooting of adults.

Of course politicians call for more gun control. When the laws on the books now don't prevent mass shootings.

Now they're upping the frequency of mass shootings. Which can mean its going to get worse for gun owners unalienable right.

How many mass shootings this past weekend since the school shooting in Texas? The most ever and fat beyond the usual pattern before.

Eleven!

Think the great reset is going to wait for 2030? Or is it going to jump off sooner?
 

Revmitchell

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Read what I wrote.

The gun has one function as a tool. That function is to kill a living being (hint: any animal or human).

The government can make some guns illegal for public use without breaking the 2nd Amendment.

Wrong again
 

Eternally Grateful

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Read what I wrote.

The gun has one function as a tool. That function is to kill a living being (hint: any animal or human).

The government can make some guns illegal for public use without breaking the 2nd Amendment.
again this is in error.

If someone threats others with a weapon. And a weapon is drawn to tell them to back away. That weapon is used as a deterant. Firing (even by law enforcement) is used only as a last resort.

Gun control never helps the innocent. It just helps the criminal. Criminals will get guns,
 

Mikoo

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Why is it that Christians in the USA try to excuse their love of guns and never admit they place their faith in their guns rather than in God?
So based on this and other statements you have made, I take it that you did not receive any Covid shots or any other vaccines to prevent against the numerous diseases out there that may kill you (i.e. - smallpox, measles, polio, etc.).
 

JesusFan

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Not comparible. All your examples are not tools specifically designed with the only purpose being to kill a living being. Guns are a one utility tool.
Guns are designed to fire a projectile, period, as thery are used for whatever purpose the wielder decides, same exact way all of those I listed do
 

JesusFan

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So based on this and other statements you have made, I take it that you did not receive any Covid shots or any other vaccines to prevent against the numerous diseases out there that may kill you (i.e. - smallpox, measles, polio, etc.).
Guess if he was back in OT israel, would have ran away when God commanded him to attack, and he would have just surrendered to Hitler!
 

Revmitchell

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Further there is no reason necessary to restrict gun ownership. You cant create gun free zones by refusing to allow well trained men to protect theses gun free schools leaving our children as sitting ducks and then claim a need to restrict a second amendment right. It reeks of using children as bait to push an agenda.

How about we stop calling for gun restriction and start calling for reasonable protections.
 

Eternally Grateful

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Further there is no reason necessary to restrict gun ownership. You cant create gun free zones by refusing to allow well trained men to protect theses gun free schools leaving our children as sitting ducks and then claim a need to restrict a second amendment right. It reeks of using children as bait to push an agenda.

How about we stop calling for gun restriction and start calling for reasonable protections.
I would pray for a revival. The problem is not guns, the problem is a nation of people who have walked away from God..
 

AustinC

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Further there is no reason necessary to restrict gun ownership. You cant create gun free zones by refusing to allow well trained men to protect theses gun free schools leaving our children as sitting ducks and then claim a need to restrict a second amendment right. It reeks of using children as bait to push an agenda.

How about we stop calling for gun restriction and start calling for reasonable protections.
There is reason to restrict the types of guns owned by citizens.
As one who grew up all around hunters, I have no concern with someone owning a shotgun for pheasant, duck, deer, bear, etc. during hunting season.
Beyond hunting, there is no reason for a gun.
A reasonable protection is to restrict the types of guns being sold.
We have a culture that worships guns. Christians have joined this culture in worship. It is idolatry.
 

AustinC

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Guess if he was back in OT israel, would have ran away when God commanded him to attack, and he would have just surrendered to Hitler!
He would have been in the military, not a citizen. If Jesus commanded us to take up arms, then we would be in sin by refusing. Read Matthew 5-7 and note that Jesus does not command this at all.

You are comparing apples to oranges and thus not making a good argument at all.
 
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