BobRyan
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BobRyan said:No matter "how many times" I SHOW chapter 1 and chapter 2 to be centered in the "Gospel" them and salvation?
Pretty interesting!
Paul does not say "If our MINISTRY denies Christ - Christ will DENY our Ministry" as you seem to have hoped here.
That too is instructive.
OK when I read "Christ will DENY US" I do not transform that into "and by that he means He will still be there for you".
but you seem to make that leap quite easily.
The text above "says" "IF we deny Him HE will also Deny US" but you have an interesting interpretation of what that "if - then" is saying.
If true then - what a joyous thing to "be denied by Christ" since it means "He will STILL be there for you"!! Wouldn't you agree that IF we could make the transposition that you suggest this becomes an INCENTIVE to deny Him?
In Christ,
Bob
Brian
I think with all scripture we must look for the simple explanation first. This way of looking at these verses is so simple and obvious it gets over looked quite easily.
Bob, on the other argument you have and the Lost and loster thing. Let me start with a couple questions I asked rhetorically above.
Was every Jewish person saved and destined for Heaven (paradise), just because they were born Jewish? or of the "House of Isreal"
No.
Brian
Is Heaven open to people of every nation now?
Yes - and always has been since pre-cross "God so Loved the World".
Did Jesus make this change by His death and ressurection?
No. God did not "start so loving the World AFTER the death of Christ".
God "so loved the World that He Gave".
Those seen in Heb 11 are from both Jew and non-Jew. Both from Israel and non-Israel. Both examples of Hebrew and non-Hebrew OT saints listed there.
Abel is a member of "mankind" he is not simply "a Jew".
Noah's family is not "Jewish" - they are saved Noah "walks with God" according to Genesis 5.
Or do you suppose that before Abraham "God so loved the World" but with Abraham (in you shall ALL nations of the Earth be blessed) God STOPPED so loving the World - only to START UP again when He decided to send Christ to earth?
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