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Humans Do Not Generate Their Own Faith

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Barry Johnson

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AustinC said:
If you are correct, then all the world has been made holy by Jesus atonement. God would be sending a perfectly holy human to hell because Jesus made them holy by his atoning sacrifice.

Are you a universalist, MB?
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How has everyone been made holy apart from receiving Jesus and after they believe +sealed by the Holy Spirit?
 
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Barry Johnson

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AustinC said:
If you are correct, then all the world has been made holy by Jesus atonement. God would be sending a perfectly holy human to hell because Jesus made them holy by his atoning sacrifice.

Are you a universalist, MB?
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This statement is everything wrong with Calvinism.
 
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utilyan said:
Your answer assumes there are Greek Calvinists.

Simply find any Greeks that are Calvinists. Whats the chances of them hearing the gospel from any reading the bible? Yet none of them get zapped regeneration into Calvinist understanding.
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My answer assumes nothing; your question did enough assuming. My answer pointed out your question was not valid.

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MB said:
No one is saved with out believing. The whole world can be saved if they only believe.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Calvinist I have met never tell anyone how they can be saved. Because they do not believe it possible. By the way the biblical way of having faith is by hearing.
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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No one can be saved until God makes them alive, saves them by grace and gives them faith to believe. If you disagree, you disagree with Ephesians 2:4-9
 
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AustinC said:
No one can be saved until God makes them alive, saves them by grace and gives them faith to believe. If you disagree, you disagree with Ephesians 2:4-9
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The faith precedes being made alive from being dead in sin. Through faith, Ephesians 2:8, Romans 1:16.
 
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MB

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AustinC said:
No one can be saved until God makes them alive, saves them by grace and gives them faith to believe. If you disagree, you disagree with Ephesians 2:4-9
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Only in your imagination. This passage does not say we have to made alive in order to be saved. Faith comes before Salvation
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Did Paul lie to the Jailer? And yes right up to the moment we are saved we are still in sin. Being made spiritually alive is being saved because we cannot be alive spiritually and not be saved. You like all Calvinist place the cart before the horse.
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37818 said:
The faith precedes being made alive from being dead in sin. Through faith, Ephesians 2:8, Romans 1:16.
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Nope. Dead people have no faith. They cannot have faith because God has not made them alive. Scripture is very clear.
 
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Barry Johnson

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AustinC said:
No one can be saved until God makes them alive, saves them by grace and gives them faith to believe. If you disagree, you disagree with Ephesians 2:4-9
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Is Ephesians 2 4
InTheLight said:
Dead people can walk.

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world...Ephesians 2:1a
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It was all this talk of dead people confused me . Slightly misleading . Sick people might be better than dead people . I'm taking 'dead people ' literally lol
 
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AustinC said:
No one can be saved until God makes them alive, saves them by grace and gives them faith to believe. If you disagree, you disagree with Ephesians 2:4-9
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People are not saved until they exercise their faith and believe. If you disagree, you disagree with John 20:31, Ephesians 1:13, John 3:36, John 3:18, Romans 10:9, Acts 16:30-31, Romans 10:13.
 
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