Husband of one Wife

[Scott J]

Originally posted by El_Guero:
Plain Old Bill

I agree with you that: Yes, In Baptist circles the Scripture has been interpreted correctly.

Please cite a biblical proof for your assertion that divorce is unforgiveable... that is if you actually have the courage to substantiate your beliefs this time rather than hiding behind tradition and "conservative" views.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by manchester:
Divorce is forgivable, sure. But what about every act of adultery you are committing with your new "spouse"? That's living in sin, and it's an ongoing sin.

That's an interesting perspective since the man after God's own heart was an incredible polygamist and adulterer.

The real question is whether you have the ability to divorce in God's eyes.

If you couldn't, God would have made no provision for it in the Bible. He does in both the NT and OT.

Divorce implies the ability to remary else there would be no need for a divorce.

If you are still married in God's eyes, then you commit adultery every time you are with your new "spouse."

OK. There are places in the Bible where having sex appears to constitute a marriage. When a couple has sex, they become one flesh.

What do you do with those who had pre-marital sex? How about sexual fantasies?

Also, what we think of as innocent romance (ie. kissing, flirting, holding hands) was not always considered innocent. Why do you arbitrarily draw the line where you think it should be?

 

[Scott J]

If the man is willing therefore to marry the wife of another, regardless of why she was divorced, then he takes on that disqualification as well, but in the eyes of adulterous men, he "can" be then "qualified", but that takes away that Authority from the LORD Who does the qualifying of a man to said office, and that by Scriputree, unperverted interpreation of Scriputre.

Thus saith Ralph.

Of course, Ralph's word is not our final authority... and God never said what Ralph says here.

Ralph you have a bad habit of putting words in God's mouth.

BTW, you misspelled a word above in that massive run-on sentence.

 

[manchester]

Originally posted by Scott J:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by manchester:
[qb] Divorce is forgivable, sure. But what about every act of adultery you are committing with your new "spouse"? That's living in sin, and it's an ongoing sin.

That's an interesting perspective since the man after God's own heart was an incredible polygamist and adulterer.</font>[/QUOTE]That's Jesus's perspective. He said if you marry and divorce (other than for porneia), you commit adultery with the new spouse. Polygamy was allowed under the OT, as was divorce; it changed with Jesus. That's what Jesus meant by "You have heard it said... but I say to you..."

The real question is whether you have the ability to divorce in God's eyes.

If you couldn't, God would have made no provision for it in the Bible. He does in both the NT and OT. Divorce implies the ability to remary else there would be no need for a divorce.

Yep, you legally have the right to remarry. And Jesus said people who do that commit adultery against their "former" (still) spouse.

If you are still married in God's eyes, then you commit adultery every time you are with your new "spouse."

OK. There are places in the Bible where having sex appears to constitute a marriage. When a couple has sex, they become one flesh. What do you do with those who had pre-marital sex? How about sexual fantasies? Also, what we think of as innocent romance (ie. kissing, flirting, holding hands) was not always considered innocent. Why do you arbitrarily draw the line where you think it should be?

That's way off topic, but I'll say that fornication doesn't make you married.

 

[El_Guero]

Ralph,

Please Brother continue to allow God to place words in a Godly man's mouth. Pray that God will use a mouth piece that call His people to repentence...

Pray that His people will repent ...

 

[manchester]

Matt 19:9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

If you are married and "divorce," you commit adultery with your girlfriend ("new spouse") because you are still married to your first wife.

If you legally marry a woman who is "divorced," you are committing adultery with her because she is still married to her first spouse.

 

[El_Guero]

Husband of one wife ... "Why would any man want extras?"

 

[El_Guero]

Amen!

 

[El_Guero]

May the Lord raise up a thousand Jeremiahs ... before it is too late ...

 

[Plain ol' Ralph]

Originally posted by manchester:
Matt 19:9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

That is a perversion of the actual Scripture, and the evidence is in Deuteronomy 24. Jesus NEVER said anything contrary to the Law, He came to fulfill, not make "exceptions".

 

[manchester]

POR, what is the actual Scripture then? You claim that the NT contradicts the OT, so you throw out the NT?

 

[El_Guero]

Ralph

... He did use a different translation ...

But, We still need to call the country to repent. We have gotten so easy with sin that even the sinners sin less than we do ...

 

[Plain ol' Ralph]

Originally posted by Scott J:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by El_Guero:
Plain Old Bill

I agree with you that: Yes, In Baptist circles the Scripture has been interpreted correctly.

Please cite a biblical proof for your assertion that divorce is unforgiveable... that is if you actually have the courage to substantiate your beliefs this time rather than hiding behind tradition and "conservative" views. </font>[/QUOTE]No one has ever said that divorce is unforgivable, you have contstructed that premise and it is false.

 

[manchester]

Matthew 19:9 "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." (KJV)

 

[El_Guero]

Our rebellion against God creeps into every area of our lives ...

 

[Plain ol' Ralph]

Originally posted by manchester:
POR, what is the actual Scripture then? You claim that the NT contradicts the OT, so you throw out the NT?

Made none such claim.

You had best look closely at Deut 24, the "permissiveness" allowed by liberals according to their interpretation of Matthew is not found. If you don't belive this, then go to the Hebrew for a more indepth understanding, the words correctly interpreted as "may go" are not permissive, but only stating the wife "might go" and become another's , never that she has inaliable rights to remarry and that because of the sin of adultery,which has no precedence over the Law of God. Some need to learn this.

 

[manchester]

You should also note that the Catholic Church, one of the oldest churches, teaches that marriage cannot be ended through legal divorce.

(Of course, they often find that you were never married in God's eyes because of some technicality, so they "annul" the marriage - that is, there never was a marriage in God's eyes. But they don't dispute the fact that once you are married in God's eyes, it's for life.)

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by manchester:
You should also note that the Catholic Church, one of the oldest churches, teaches that marriage cannot be ended through legal divorce.

The Catholic Church carries no more authority with a biblical Christian than Larry Flynt.

 

[Pastor Larry]

Originally posted by Plain ol' Ralph:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by manchester:
Matt 19:9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

That is a perversion of the actual Scripture, and the evidence is in Deuteronomy 24. Jesus NEVER said anything contrary to the Law, He came to fulfill, not make "exceptions". </font>[/QUOTE]Unbelievable ... Ralph still is callign the words of God in human flesh a "perversion of actual Scripture." And he still doesn't know what Deut 24 says. Deut 24 allows remarriage, even assumes remarriage.

Why do we tolerate such things?

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Plain ol' Ralph:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by El_Guero:
Plain Old Bill

I agree with you that: Yes, In Baptist circles the Scripture has been interpreted correctly.

Please cite a biblical proof for your assertion that divorce is unforgiveable... that is if you actually have the courage to substantiate your beliefs this time rather than hiding behind tradition and "conservative" views. </font>[/QUOTE]No one has ever said that divorce is unforgivable, you have contstructed that premise and it is false. </font>[/QUOTE]Read the post El Guero was responding to.

Plain Old Bill said:

Divorce qualifies as the unforgivable sin in Baptist circles.
Murder,theft ,adultry,brawling,cheating, all forgivable.
Are we interpeting scripture correctly?

El Guero responded as I posted above.

So what you say no one has said... is what El Guero said.