beameup
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Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception Gen 3:16a
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If Adam Hadn't Sinned...
- Thread starter Internet Theologian
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Jesus is not a physical descendant of Adam.....that is blasphemy.
At the moment, the woman (Eve) was taken from the man (Adam), were they husband and wife, married, joined or were they espoused. Promised one to the other?
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: (Thou shall not eat of it.)
but I am carnal, sold under sin. (man, Adam)
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Serpent beguiled Eve; Adam, But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
They ate and they were then dead, in trespass and sin.
Who was trespassed against? How?
All humans are descendants of Adam and Eve
Heb 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Why do you think this is blasphemy?
TomLaPalm
All humans are sinners in Adam.....Jesus was not
Heb 2:14;
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Jesus took part of flesh and blood....yes...a real humanity........but He was made in the "likeness"
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
He did not ,nor could not have sinful flesh....
All humans are conceived dead in Adam........Jesus was not.
All humans are sinners in Adam.....Jesus was not
Heb 2:14;
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Jesus took part of flesh and blood....yes...a real humanity........but He was made in the "likeness"
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
He did not ,nor could not have sinful flesh....
see the above
The speculation is that man would not be fully complete in Holiness not having to by experience be predestined to be conformed to the Image of The Son.
two grave errors my friend, the physical body does not sin. The soul does. the physical can experience the result of sin but the soul sins
You are not a sinner because of Adam's sin. You are a sinner because of your sin. The fact that both you and Adam have a body is not why you sin.
Mankind, the shared flesh and blood is not the problem but part of the solution. By that share flesh and blood with all mankind, God took the penalty of upon himself and by the death one of Jesus we can share in the death and rejoice in the resurrection. God paid the price, We are saved through the humanity
Jesus was completely human and God. You are completely human and a spiritual being as well.
You are not a sinner because of Adam's sin. You are a sinner because of your sin. The fact that both you and Adam have a body is not why you sin.
Mankind, the shared flesh and blood is not the problem but part of the solution. By that share flesh and blood with all mankind, God took the penalty of upon himself and by the death one of Jesus we can share in the death and rejoice in the resurrection. God paid the price, We are saved through the humanity
Jesus was completely human and God. You are completely human and a spiritual being as well.
Internet Theologian
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Good point!
Internet Theologian
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Man, that right there has to be the straw man argument of the century! Congrats!
not at all,
Eze 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
the early church fought against your same arguments as Gnosticism, That all flesh is sinful an God could not be human because He is holy. Therefore Jesus could not have been common flesh and blood.
But to accept this is denying Jesus ' humanity, and the effectiveness of His salvation, a trick of the devil.
He was man in flesh God is spirit, you are flesh and spirit , too, just not God
Eze 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
the early church fought against your same arguments as Gnosticism, That all flesh is sinful an God could not be human because He is holy. Therefore Jesus could not have been common flesh and blood.
But to accept this is denying Jesus ' humanity, and the effectiveness of His salvation, a trick of the devil.
He was man in flesh God is spirit, you are flesh and spirit , too, just not God
Eden was not a test but a time of innocence for two people. As our childhood was
Back to Eden and the the time of innocence is not our goal. We are bound for Heaven as pardoned sinners , Eden is not our home, Heaven is
Humanity, even with the curse of sin, as our spirits are, is the method of salvation. whereby one death can save many. Humanity is not the curse, sin is. Procreation, more human vessels for spirits means more sinners can be redeemed.
Adam went to LA to be a doctor, He grew a beard
Adam went to LA to be a doctor, He grew a beard
If Adam hadn't sinned and those serious posts brought up good answers but how about this one Why did Adam eat?... He didn't have to!... Eve ate and gave to him.... What would have happened if she ate and he didn't?... Brother Glen
beameup
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Adam would have been eternally separated from Eve. He ate and died, but still had a relationship with her.
God placed himself in a similar situation, in that he had to die to save mankind. It's hard to grasp that kind of love.
Baptist believer,
In post 26 I affirmed that Jesus took upon Himself a real humanity.
Mary was told the which was conceived in her was HOLY.
Jesus did not have fallen Adam as His Father.
There is no darkness in Him at all.
I am not a gnostic ....1tim3:16
In post 26 I affirmed that Jesus took upon Himself a real humanity.
Mary was told the which was conceived in her was HOLY.
Jesus did not have fallen Adam as His Father.
There is no darkness in Him at all.
I am not a gnostic ....1tim3:16
A. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Gen 1:27
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
B. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom 8:29
Which is the higher creation of man, A or B?
Did A fall from something or was it foreordained before the foundation of the world, that he would be redeemed from being sold, by being born again, B unto something greater than he had been created?
1 Peter 1:18-20 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
B. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom 8:29
Which is the higher creation of man, A or B?
Did A fall from something or was it foreordained before the foundation of the world, that he would be redeemed from being sold, by being born again, B unto something greater than he had been created?
1 Peter 1:18-20 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
That is the biblical truth and now we understand God's bigger picture!... Brother Glen