IF Once Were Arminist, What verse(s) Forced You To calvinism?

:laugh: I thought the OP was about those who DID NOT go into Calvinism and why.. LOL.. well fool me once..

 

Well brother, regardless of which side of the fence God brings you to.. just remember to 'let GOD bring you to it'. Remember that we are to be convinced in 'our' own mind.

 

Thanks Tom for squaring it...I agree :thumbsup:

 

for the millionth time, sinners contribute nothing to their own salvation. It is God from beginning to end. yet the constant temptation is to slip the human element (you just did it) back into the equation

 

Well said.

 

If the sinner does not use their free will and turn to and accept Christ as their lord and savior and repent of their sins then they will not be saved. God forces no one to accept him.

 

So your telling me you deny my statement above? LOL

Ask any man whether he is a Christian against his will, and he will tell you certainly
not, for he loves the Lord, and delights in his law after the inward man. Thy people
are not led unwillingly to thee in chains, O Jesus, but thy people shall be willing in
the day of thy power. We willingly choose Christ, because he has from of old chosen
us. CHS

 

Not to mention the cardinal sin of taking one's eyes off of God and placing them onto human actions.

 

I do not hold to that gnostic belief.

 

Oh thats right....Calvinists are now gnostics. ROFL

 

As a matter of fact there are elements in Calvinism ... through Augustine ... that are definitely gnostic. Not all Calvinist beliefs are gnostic, but some are definitely from the gnostics. I want to address this in depth, but do not have time at the moment. I will get to it in the future, probably after I am back home in the States in July.

 

Like I stated before, write your white paper & if you have any publishing success with it then let me know.

Oh....for your edification, here is another commentary from a proven theologian ....CHS

Regarding Total Depravity and Irresistible Grace:
When you say, "Can God make me become a Christian?" I tell you yes, for herein rests the power of the gospel. It does not ask your consent; but it gets it. It does not say, "Will you have it?" but it makes you willing in the day of God's power....The gospel wants not your consent, it gets it. It knocks the enmity out of your heart. You say, I do not want to be saved; Christ says you shall be. He makes our will turn round, and then you cry,"'Lord save, or I perish!"

 

Spurgeon's quote perfectly describes my salvation experience!

 

Mine as well......Isnt it wonderful!:love2:

 

:applause::applause:

 

With all respect, I don't believe anyone was claiming that we could atone for the sins of our children. We were expressing the concept or thought of a person who loves and follows God believing that they can and do love their own child more than God (presuming that child rejects God of course and proves to be 'non-elect'). It's the same problem I presented in the Romans 9 passage where Paul expresses his extraordinary love for his fellow countrymen who were being 'cut off' and hardened by God. How can it be that Paul, writing under the inspiration of the HS, could express more love for non-elect people than what God has for them?

 

If you dont mind me asking then, what was your salvation experience?

 

I find it humorous that this thread is completely off-topic from the OP:

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