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Revmitchell

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Use of Time

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Who were never Nazis? You have completely gone off the reservation. That is exactly what they are and what they claim to be. I'm sure everyone will give you a pass for this though. This IS defending them. Never thought I would see the guy who slings the term "unAmerican" all the time do this. Truly unreal. Stick your head in the sand everybody. No one would ever let the flipside of this fly and you know it. The BB is officially a cesspool at this point.
 

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Who were never Nazis? You have completely gone off the reservation. That is exactly what they are and what they claim to be. I'm sure everyone will give you a pass for this though. This IS defending them. Never thought I would see the guy who slings the term "unAmerican" all the time do this. Truly unreal. Stick your head in the sand everybody.
I'm white and I've never been a Nazi (charges of racism predate current events, of course there are Neo-Nazis, but @Revmitchell has not been one to advocate racism so it is probable you are providing your own context).
 

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I'm white and I've never been a Nazi (charges of racism predate current events, of course there are Neo-Nazis, but @Revmitchell has not been one to advocate racism so it is probable you are providing your own context).

I didn't say he was advocating racism. Like...not even close. Did you miss the news last weekend or something?

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I didn't say he was advocating racism. Like...not even close. Did you miss the news last weekend or something?
I am not saying that you are calling him a racist. I am saying that from past experience I do not think @Revmitchell is defending the white supremacists (or making light of the event).

I watched the news but I do not allow contemporary events to interpret every comment that comes my way. The context, if it points to the event or to Trump's statement, points more to the Democrat's use of the event for its own political gain. But it seems to me that the context points to the removal of statues in the South (mostly because that is what the post speaks of - the removal of Confederate statues...perhaps the attempted removal from history of the Democrat agenda to keep people in "chains"...but that's pushing it).

Do you see a line about Charlottesville VA....or do you see a line about the removal of Confederate statues? If the former, then you have a point. If the latter, brush up on your reading.
 
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I am not saying that you are calling him a racist. I am saying that from past experience I do not think @Revmitchell is defending the white supremacists (or making light of the event).

I watched the news but I do not allow contemporary events to interpret every comment that comes my way. The context, if it points to the event or to Trump's statement, points more to the Democrat's use of the event for its own political gain. But it seems to me that the context points to the removal of statues in the South.

You kind of implied I did though right. I mean you brought up the term racism when nobody else did for some reason. He also is denying these people weren't Nazis. Do you need to see pictures or something? Also, most counterprotestors were white Antifa anyway so his analogy deliberately chose to focus on black people for some reason. I mean this isn't hard but I'm not even disappointed in this anymore. I expected this.

Since we can just make it up I'll just say the counterprotestors were Hawaiian Jehovah's Witnesses. Why not, since are can just make it up as we go along apparently.
 

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You kind of implied I did though right. I mean you brought up the term racism when nobody else did for some reason. He also is denying these people weren't Nazis. Do you need to see pictures or something?
No. Implying is something that I would have done - but my intent was to justify the reason I believed his post did not mean what you took it to me. You inferred.

Not all of the people arguing to keep confederate statues are doing so out of racism. And not all who are doing so out of racist beliefs are acting on those beliefs violently. There have been people on this forum arguing that the statues should remain because it represents a period in our history that needs to be remembered. Are you calling them Nazis????
 

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I didn't say he was advocating racism. Like...not even close. Did you miss the news last weekend or something?

I'll wait for anyone with a shred of integrity for calling this out for what is.
Yes, Revmitchell's posting of the meme implies that he thinks the neo-Nazis at Charlottesville aren't Nazi's, in effect denying that they are Nazi's. Which is basically denying that some of them wore Nazi uniforms, wore swastika armbands, carried torches ala Nazi rallies and carried Nazi swastika flags.

In effect, he's saying there really weren't any Nazis there.

A breathtaking denial.

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Yes, Revmitchell's posting of the meme implies that he thinks the neo-Nazis at Charlottesville aren't Nazi's, in effect denying that they are Nazi's. Which is basically denying that some of them wore Nazi uniforms, wore swastika armbands, carried torches ala Nazi rallies and carried Nazi swastika flags.

In effect, he's saying there really weren't any Nazis there.

A breathtaking denial.

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Not sure if a neo nazi is a real Nazi. Also don't know what practical difference it makes. So, I don't know if there were real Nazis there or not, but I do know there was a heaping pile of Communists there.
 

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Use of Time said:
I'll wait for anyone with a shred of integrity for calling this out for what is.

I'm severely disappointed in many, many posts on BB recently. I've pretty much given up trying to present my point of view. It's useless, and any rebuttal I get would just make me sad. I'm beyond being mad, it's just disappointing and I fear for our witness to outsiders that may be reading our forum.

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Not all of the people arguing to keep confederate statues are doing so out of racism. And not all who are doing so out of racist beliefs are acting on those beliefs violently. There have been people on this forum arguing that the statues should remain because it represents a period in our history that needs to be remembered. Are you calling them Nazis????

Subject of this thread is the asinine meme that Revmitchell posted claiming there weren't Nazis in Charlottesville.

And here you are rationalizing things--"not all are racists, not all are violent..." Man, have I heard that a lot around here. Is that the Faux News, Rush Limbaugh, Breitbart News, Sean Hannity talking points?

UoT is not calling then Nazis, he's astonished that Revmitchell would post something saying there were no Nazi's there. Get it?

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Not sure if a neo nazi is a real Nazi. Also don't know what practical difference it makes. So, I don't know if there were real Nazis there or not, but I do know there was a heaping pile of Communists there.
They are depending on how the word is used. Nazi can refer the ideologies of national socialism (which we see in those hate groups) as well as the German political party. I think it's usually used to incite an attitude rather than deal with actual issues. But @InTheLight is right that the term can be used to Nazism of white supremacist. That said, it needs to be clarified that this is really what @Revmitchell was trying to convey.
 

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Subject of this thread is the asinine meme that Revmitchell posted claiming there weren't Nazis in Charlottesville.

And here you are rationalizing things--"not all are racists, not all are violent..." Man, have I heard that a lot around here. Is that the Faux News, Rush Limbaugh, Breitbart News, Sean Hannity talking points?

UoT is not calling then Nazis, he's astonished that Revmitchell would post something saying there were no Nazi's there. Get it?

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Perhaps. I don't see how it makes sense that anyone would suggest there were no Nazi's there as this is an obvious fact. Typically when someone denies an obvious fact it is a matter of definition or an issue of a statement taken out of context. Personally, I did not see that the post necessitated the context you provided simply because there is a controversy over what is actually stated in that post (excluding Nazis....i.e., the post is applicable excluding the events of Charlottesville).
 

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Jon, I have no idea what you talking about. The first post references Trump's statements, which were about Charlottesville. The second post talks about "black people who were never slaves are fighting white people who were never Nazis ... "

But they are. Folks might say "they're not real Nazis," but if they quack like Nazis (Blut und Boden and Hail Trump) and waddle with swastikas (and facses) like Nazis, it seems to me that it's likely they are Nazis.
 
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Use of Time

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Perhaps. I don't see how it makes sense that anyone would suggest there were no Nazi's there as this is an obvious fact. Typically when someone denies an obvious fact it is a matter of definition or an issue of a statement taken out of context. Personally, I did not see that the post necessitated the context you provided simply because there is a controversy over what is actually stated in that post (excluding Nazis....i.e., the post is applicable excluding the events of Charlottesville).

Yes, Revmitchell's posting of the meme implies that he thinks the neo-Nazis at Charlottesville aren't Nazi's, in effect denying that they are Nazi's. Which is basically denying that some of them wore Nazi uniforms, wore swastika armbands, carried torches ala Nazi rallies and carried Nazi swastika flags.

In effect, he's saying there really weren't any Nazis there.

A breathtaking denial.

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I called it too. No one here to condemn it besides you and I have Jon over here giving Mitch what might be the biggest benefit of the doubt I've ever seen on this board.
 

Use of Time

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Perhaps. I don't see how it makes sense that anyone would suggest there were no Nazi's there as this is an obvious fact. Typically when someone denies an obvious fact it is a matter of definition or an issue of a statement taken out of context. Personally, I did not see that the post necessitated the context you provided simply because there is a controversy over what is actually stated in that post (excluding Nazis....i.e., the post is applicable excluding the events of Charlottesville).

It should be an obvious fact...yet here we are.
 
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