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In What Sense Does The Spirit Enlighten All Mankind

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
Are you reading my posts? I did not say anything except I quoted the verse and showed readers the word in Eph.2 means corpse. You posted no scripture that says the word used was not Nekros=corpse, so try again. It is you who are not dealing with Nekros it seems.

False again, I did noy insert any philosophy, but rather posted on this scripture, I did not make any of my own comment, but if you have no real answer, we can let the readers determine what is what.

Where does it say that natural men apart from the Spirit of God receive it?


I did not mention any teaching other than what the text says. Are you sure you are not just making excuses and trying to skip away from Nekros?

Yes, spiritual corpses

1 tim5:6 Paul says they do
3 Honour widows that are widows indeed.

4 But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.

5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.

6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.



I did not quote from any C/R source, just scripture dealing with Nekros. Are you sure you are not hiding behind these false issues you suggest?



That is what I am doing. you seem to be avoiding these texts however!

Yes, He died Spiritually that day, with Physical death to follow...sure did.


Physically alive, mentally alert, and spiritually dead

Sorry, that is a slanderous accusation, when I have offered verses. Why do you go to such dark thoughts?

yes, I agree with this, but it does not tie in the how, just the result. The Spirit is how!

I believe they happen at the exact same point in time, instantly

I have not looked at either of those men on this. Another excuse by you?

No..I find that all faithful ones are word centered to the max.

Scripture says we have self will. I posted that earlier. You can ignore it if you want to, the readers will see what you are doing,lol

Where do you see such a fatalistic idea in scripture. God knows our thoughts, but He does not put them there, we do! will you try every loophole under the Sun, trying to resist the truth?

This has been addressed in full. No need to repeat it, as evidently you were unable or unwilling to perceive it.


it is already done...how many examples do you need? I said it meant a corpse, and posted the meaning...

I am not sure what you mean by that, You cannot defend your assertion.

Take a poll, I think others have seen what has happened here!

Another excuse and attempted evasion. I get it. You cannot answer to these verses, so you try an attack, that has failed.

It has clearly been proven to any who look objectively.

Well I see what your problem is you do not have the ability to read a verse and understand what it means.

dead G3498
metaph.
a. spiritually dead
1. destitute of a life that recognises and is devoted to God, because given up to trespasses and sins
2. inactive as respects doing right

Eph 2:1 And G2532 you G5209 He made alive, who were G5607 (G5752) dead G3498 in trespasses G3900 and G2532 sins G266 ,
Eph 2:2 in G1722 which G3739 you once G4218 walked G4043 (G5656) according to G2596 the course G165 of this G5127 world G2889, according to G2596 the prince G758 of the power G1849 of the air G109, the spirit G4151 who now G3568 works G1754 (G5723) in G1722 the sons G5207 of disobedience G543,

Have you done anything to prove your religion is biblical, NO. You have not provided any biblical support for your C/R views.

You do remind me of many of the C/R's on this and other boards. You will not actually step up and support the philosophy you claim to be biblical.

If and when you choose to do so then let me know and we can discuss what you say.
 

Zaatar71

Active Member
Well I see what your problem is you do not have the ability to read a verse and understand what it means.

dead G3498
metaph.
a. spiritually dead
1. destitute of a life that recognises and is devoted to God, because given up to trespasses and sins
2. inactive as respects doing right

Eph 2:1 And G2532 you G5209 He made alive, who were G5607 (G5752) dead G3498 in trespasses G3900 and G2532 sins G266 ,
Eph 2:2 in G1722 which G3739 you once G4218 walked G4043 (G5656) according to G2596 the course G165 of this G5127 world G2889, according to G2596 the prince G758 of the power G1849 of the air G109, the spirit G4151 who now G3568 works G1754 (G5723) in G1722 the sons G5207 of disobedience G543,

Have you done anything to prove your religion is biblical, NO. You have not provided any biblical support for your C/R views.

You do remind me of many of the C/R's on this and other boards. You will not actually step up and support the philosophy you claim to be biblical.

If and when you choose to do so then let me know and we can discuss what you say.
So again, you cannot really answer to the scripture at all. This is no surprise as you seem to follow a pattern that is common. Make excuses accusations, but make no progress toward truth. It is okay. You are not the first, and will not be the last. This can be a training thread for others perhaps. Thanks for your attempted responses. Tomorow is another day.
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
So again, you cannot really answer to the scripture at all. This is no surprise as you seem to follow a pattern that is common. Make excuses accusations, but make no progress toward truth. It is okay. You are not the first, and will not be the last. This can be a training thread for others perhaps. Thanks for your attempted responses. Tomorow is another day.

I have answered you just do not want to believe scripture.

But what I do know about you is that you cannot defend your philosophy as you skirt it every time I have said you need to defend it.

Sad that you and a few others will come on here with all your blow and bluster but as usual you turn out to be just an empty bag.

You have a good day Zaatar 71
 

Van

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Why do you fail to address the words that are in the text,vs10 It says all things. it does not exclude the milk of the word
Why do you address me with a false charge, rather than address the rebuttal to your claims?

You claim I did not address the words "all things." Here is my quote: The response was that the Spirit understands all spiritual things, which has nothing to do with t he issue. Apparently you did not grasp that my view says the Spirit of God understands all things, which does not exclude spiritual milk. But this fact does not have any thing to do with the fact humans in the "lost" not indwelt state can understand spiritual milk.
 

Zaatar71

Active Member
Why do you address me with a false charge, rather than address the rebuttal to your claims?

You claim I did not address the words "all things." Here is my quote: The response was that the Spirit understands all spiritual things, which has nothing to do with t he issue. Apparently you did not grasp that my view says the Spirit of God understands all things, which does not exclude spiritual milk. But this fact does not have any thing to do with the fact humans in the "lost" not indwelt state can understand spiritual milk.
Your response does not seem to make any sense...the Text says "all things"...why do you add words to it? Of Course God understands all things, that is not the issue at all! What is at issue is that He enables us to understand all things spiritual as we are Christians who are indwelt by the Spirit of God. Your idea of unsaved spiritual dead natural men understanding anything of God's word is really false to the max. Everyone knows that is not true. You might be alone on your own deserted spiritual Island. Some of these ideas you suggest are not held by anyone else.
Does that trouble you at all?
 

Zaatar71

Active Member
I have answered you just do not want to believe scripture.

But what I do know about you is that you cannot defend your philosophy as you skirt it every time I have said you need to defend it.

Sad that you and a few others will come on here with all your blow and bluster but as usual you turn out to be just an empty bag.

You have a good day Zaatar 71
I stayed in scripture, you avoided it. You seem like an angry contentious person, looking for a fight. I do not come to fight, but to learn and if possible help others. Whatever you are reading, or listening to, is not helping you. Turn to scripture and pray that God will have mercy on you, and make you a happy, joyful Christian!
 
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