In What Sense Does The Spirit Enlighten All Mankind

[Silverhair]

Are you reading my posts? I did not say anything except I quoted the verse and showed readers the word in Eph.2 means corpse. You posted no scripture that says the word used was not Nekros=corpse, so try again. It is you who are not dealing with Nekros it seems.

False again, I did noy insert any philosophy, but rather posted on this scripture, I did not make any of my own comment, but if you have no real answer, we can let the readers determine what is what.

Where does it say that natural men apart from the Spirit of God receive it?


I did not mention any teaching other than what the text says. Are you sure you are not just making excuses and trying to skip away from Nekros?

Yes, spiritual corpses

1 tim5:6 Paul says they do
3 Honour widows that are widows indeed.

4 But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.

5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.

6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.



I did not quote from any C/R source, just scripture dealing with Nekros. Are you sure you are not hiding behind these false issues you suggest?



That is what I am doing. you seem to be avoiding these texts however!

Yes, He died Spiritually that day, with Physical death to follow...sure did.


Physically alive, mentally alert, and spiritually dead

Sorry, that is a slanderous accusation, when I have offered verses. Why do you go to such dark thoughts?

yes, I agree with this, but it does not tie in the how, just the result. The Spirit is how!

I believe they happen at the exact same point in time, instantly

I have not looked at either of those men on this. Another excuse by you?

No..I find that all faithful ones are word centered to the max.

Scripture says we have self will. I posted that earlier. You can ignore it if you want to, the readers will see what you are doing,lol

Where do you see such a fatalistic idea in scripture. God knows our thoughts, but He does not put them there, we do! will you try every loophole under the Sun, trying to resist the truth?

This has been addressed in full. No need to repeat it, as evidently you were unable or unwilling to perceive it.


it is already done...how many examples do you need? I said it meant a corpse, and posted the meaning...

I am not sure what you mean by that, You cannot defend your assertion.

Take a poll, I think others have seen what has happened here!

Another excuse and attempted evasion. I get it. You cannot answer to these verses, so you try an attack, that has failed.

It has clearly been proven to any who look objectively.

Well I see what your problem is you do not have the ability to read a verse and understand what it means.

dead G3498
metaph.
a. spiritually dead
1. destitute of a life that recognises and is devoted to God, because given up to trespasses and sins
2. inactive as respects doing right

Eph 2:1 And G2532 you G5209 He made alive, who were G5607 (G5752) dead G3498 in trespasses G3900 and G2532 sins G266 ,
Eph 2:2 in G1722 which G3739 you once G4218 walked G4043 (G5656) according to G2596 the course G165 of this G5127 world G2889, according to G2596 the prince G758 of the power G1849 of the air G109, the spirit G4151 who now G3568 works G1754 (G5723) in G1722 the sons G5207 of disobedience G543,

Have you done anything to prove your religion is biblical, NO. You have not provided any biblical support for your C/R views.

You do remind me of many of the C/R's on this and other boards. You will not actually step up and support the philosophy you claim to be biblical.

If and when you choose to do so then let me know and we can discuss what you say.

 

[Zaatar71]

Well I see what your problem is you do not have the ability to read a verse and understand what it means.

dead G3498
metaph.
a. spiritually dead
1. destitute of a life that recognises and is devoted to God, because given up to trespasses and sins
2. inactive as respects doing right

Eph 2:1 And G2532 you G5209 He made alive, who were G5607 (G5752) dead G3498 in trespasses G3900 and G2532 sins G266 ,
Eph 2:2 in G1722 which G3739 you once G4218 walked G4043 (G5656) according to G2596 the course G165 of this G5127 world G2889, according to G2596 the prince G758 of the power G1849 of the air G109, the spirit G4151 who now G3568 works G1754 (G5723) in G1722 the sons G5207 of disobedience G543,

Have you done anything to prove your religion is biblical, NO. You have not provided any biblical support for your C/R views.

You do remind me of many of the C/R's on this and other boards. You will not actually step up and support the philosophy you claim to be biblical.

If and when you choose to do so then let me know and we can discuss what you say.

So again, you cannot really answer to the scripture at all. This is no surprise as you seem to follow a pattern that is common. Make excuses accusations, but make no progress toward truth. It is okay. You are not the first, and will not be the last. This can be a training thread for others perhaps. Thanks for your attempted responses. Tomorow is another day.

 

[Silverhair]

So again, you cannot really answer to the scripture at all. This is no surprise as you seem to follow a pattern that is common. Make excuses accusations, but make no progress toward truth. It is okay. You are not the first, and will not be the last. This can be a training thread for others perhaps. Thanks for your attempted responses. Tomorow is another day.

I have answered you just do not want to believe scripture.

But what I do know about you is that you cannot defend your philosophy as you skirt it every time I have said you need to defend it.

Sad that you and a few others will come on here with all your blow and bluster but as usual you turn out to be just an empty bag.

You have a good day Zaatar 71

 

[Van]

Why do you fail to address the words that are in the text,vs10 It says all things. it does not exclude the milk of the word

Why do you address me with a false charge, rather than address the rebuttal to your claims?

You claim I did not address the words "all things." Here is my quote: The response was that the Spirit understands all spiritual things, which has nothing to do with t he issue. Apparently you did not grasp that my view says the Spirit of God understands all things, which does not exclude spiritual milk. But this fact does not have any thing to do with the fact humans in the "lost" not indwelt state can understand spiritual milk.

 

[Zaatar71]

Why do you address me with a false charge, rather than address the rebuttal to your claims?

You claim I did not address the words "all things." Here is my quote: The response was that the Spirit understands all spiritual things, which has nothing to do with t he issue. Apparently you did not grasp that my view says the Spirit of God understands all things, which does not exclude spiritual milk. But this fact does not have any thing to do with the fact humans in the "lost" not indwelt state can understand spiritual milk.

Your response does not seem to make any sense...the Text says "all things"...why do you add words to it? Of Course God understands all things, that is not the issue at all! What is at issue is that He enables us to understand all things spiritual as we are Christians who are indwelt by the Spirit of God. Your idea of unsaved spiritual dead natural men understanding anything of God's word is really false to the max. Everyone knows that is not true. You might be alone on your own deserted spiritual Island. Some of these ideas you suggest are not held by anyone else.
Does that trouble you at all?

 

[Zaatar71]

I have answered you just do not want to believe scripture.

But what I do know about you is that you cannot defend your philosophy as you skirt it every time I have said you need to defend it.

Sad that you and a few others will come on here with all your blow and bluster but as usual you turn out to be just an empty bag.

You have a good day Zaatar 71

I stayed in scripture, you avoided it. You seem like an angry contentious person, looking for a fight. I do not come to fight, but to learn and if possible help others. Whatever you are reading, or listening to, is not helping you. Turn to scripture and pray that God will have mercy on you, and make you a happy, joyful Christian!

 

[Van]

Your response does not seem to make any sense...the Text says "all things"...why do you add words to it? Of Course God understands all things, that is not the issue at all! What is at issue is that He enables us to understand all things spiritual as we are Christians who are indwelt by the Spirit of God. Your idea of unsaved spiritual dead natural men understanding anything of God's word is really false to the max. Everyone knows that is not true. You might be alone on your own deserted spiritual Island. Some of these ideas you suggest are not held by anyone else.
Does that trouble you at all?

I correctly said 1 Corinthians 2:14 does say natural people cannot understand all things (or some things) of the Spirit of God. You claim 1 Corinthians 2:10 says or suggests it does. I point out 2 Cor. 2:10 says the Spirit of God, not humans, searches all things (actually searches all, with the scope left to interpretation based on context). Thus no support. Rather than acknowledge the obvious, you claim this biblical truth "does not see to make any sense." Next, you claim, against all logic and reason, God does enable us to understand all spiritual things, when the indwelt immature Christians did not. You are wasting my time. Good bye.

 

[Zaatar71]

I correctly said 1 Corinthians 2:14 does say natural people cannot understand all things (or some things) of the Spirit of God. You claim 1 Corinthians 2:10 says or suggests it does. I point out 2 Cor. 2:10 says the Spirit of God, not humans, searches all things (actually searches all, with the scope left to interpretation based on context). Thus no support. Rather than acknowledge the obvious, you claim this biblical truth "does not see to make any sense." Next, you claim, against all logic and reason, God does enable us to understand all spiritual things, when the indwelt immature Christians did not. You are wasting my time. Good bye.

Bye friend. perhaps we will meet again sometime in the future. Thanks for your response.

 

[Brightfame52]

Natures revelation of God isnt the Spirits revelation of God and Christ. Natures revelation is external and indicative of God as the Creator, but that still leaves man naturally without a spiritual revelation of God which only comes through Christ and His Spirit Matt 11 27

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

True Revelation of God in Christ comes with Eternal Life Jn 17:2-3

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Mother nature cant give a knowledge of God like this !

 

[Brightfame52]

@Van

I correctly said 1 Corinthians 2:14 does say natural people cannot understand all things (or some things) of the Spirit of God.

The natural man cannot know/understand things of the Spirit of God, like the scriptures.

 

[Van]

@Van

The natural man cannot know/understand things of the Spirit of God, like the scriptures.

Right, the things could mean all the things or some of the things. To claim one or the other without supporting scripture is without merit.
I supported that the natural person can understand some spiritual things, spiritual milk, citing 1 Corinthians 3:1-3.

 

[Van]

Right, the things could mean all the things or some of the things. To claim one or the other without supporting scripture is without merit.
I supported that the natural person can understand some spiritual things, spiritual milk, citing 1 Corinthians 3:1-3.

To review, many of the lost will seek the narrow door, but will not find it. Luke 13:24. This means the lost do hear, understand and affirmatively respond to the gospel message. Yet, some, still deny this biblical reality. Some absurdly claim if you seek but do not find, then you did not seek, rewriting the meaning of seek. And so it goes...

 

[JesusFan]

To review, many of the lost will seek the narrow door, but will not find it. Luke 13:24. This means the lost do hear, understand and affirmatively respond to the gospel message. Yet, some, still deny this biblical reality. Some absurdly claim if you seek but do not find, then you did not seek, rewriting the meaning of seek. And so it goes...

The Lost very sin natures are at war against God, cannot and will not respond favorably

 

[Brightfame52]

Right, the things could mean all the things or some of the things. To claim one or the other without supporting scripture is without merit.
I supported that the natural person can understand some spiritual things, spiritual milk, citing 1 Corinthians 3:1-3.

1 Cor 2:14 supports it. The Gospel Truth in scripture is the things of the Spirit of God. God the Holy Spirit is the author of Scripture. Also the carnal of 1 Cor 3:1-3 are not natural men because they have the Spirit in them 1 Cor 6:19

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Paul says those who have the Spirit of God in them are not in the flesh Rom 8:9

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Now the carnal of 1 Cor 3:1-3 technically were not in the flesh,, but in the Spirit, so they had the capacity to know/understand the things of the Spirit of God,, but the natural man of 1 Cor 2:14 doesnt have the capacity being only a natural man. The Spirit doesnt dwell in him, so he has no evidence he even belongs to Christ in the first place.

 

[Van]

The Lost very sin natures are at war against God, cannot and will not respond favorably

Note the nonsense, how this post is gibberish when compared with Luke 13:24?

 

[Van]

1 Cor 2:14 supports it.

Note the gibberish, 1 Cor 2:14 does not say all the things, it says the things which refers to spiritual solid food. All these posters seem to do is copy or restate arguments that have been rebutted. Note how they never, repeat never, acknowledge Paul spoke to the new Christians as to men of flesh. They never address why Paul would speak to men of flesh using spiritual milk and not spiritual solid food. No siree bob, they yada, yada yada their smokescreed, desperately trying to hide the truth of scripture.

 

[Brightfame52]

Note the nonsense, how this post is gibberish when compared with Luke 13:24?

That scripture doesnt nullify the Apostles teaching of 1 Cor 2:14, Im sure the Apostle understood that scripture of Lk 13:24. Under the New Covenant we are to follow the Apostles Doctrine because they were directly taught by Christ and His Spirit. You are taking a verse like Lk 13:24 and make it subvert a clear teaching of the Apostles. Please explain how Lk 13:24 contradicts 1 Cor 2:14

 

[Brightfame52]

Note the gibberish, 1 Cor 2:14 does not say all the things, it says the things which refers to spiritual solid food. All these posters seem to do is copy or restate arguments that have been rebutted. Note how they never, repeat never, acknowledge Paul spoke to the new Christians as to men of flesh. They never address why Paul would speak to men of flesh using spiritual milk and not spiritual solid food. No siree bob, they yada, yada yada their smokescreed, desperately trying to hide the truth of scripture.

The believers of 1 Cor 3:1-3 are not natural men, so it doesnt apply. They have the Spirit of God in them, but the natural man doesnt, big difference

 

[Van]

That scripture doesnt nullify the Apostles teaching of 1 Cor 2:14, Im sure the Apostle understood that scripture of Lk 13:24. Under the New Covenant we are to follow the Apostles Doctrine because they were directly taught by Christ and His Spirit. You are taking a verse like Lk 13:24 and make it subvert a clear teaching of the Apostles. Please explain how Lk 13:24 contradicts 1 Cor 2:14

More Gibberish, more ignoring that Luke 13:24 says the lost seek the narrow door, this is a thing of the Spirit of God.

 

[Van]

The believers of 1 Cor 3:1-3 are not natural men, so it doesnt apply. They have the Spirit of God in them, but the natural man doesnt, big difference

More Gibberish, addressing the believers, and IGNORING Paul spoke to them as he spoke to men of flesh. Not one of these posters ever has addressed the actual evidence, but simply repeats their usual deflections.