In What Sense Does The Spirit Enlighten All Mankind

[JesusFan]

Note the gibberish, 1 Cor 2:14 does not say all the things, it says the things which refers to spiritual solid food. All these posters seem to do is copy or restate arguments that have been rebutted. Note how they never, repeat never, acknowledge Paul spoke to the new Christians as to men of flesh. They never address why Paul would speak to men of flesh using spiritual milk and not spiritual solid food. No siree bob, they yada, yada yada their smokescreed, desperately trying to hide the truth of scripture.

Paul was addressing those acting as IF they were still in the flesh, not saying unsaved can receiving spiritual truths

 

[Brightfame52]

More Gibberish, more ignoring that Luke 13:24 says the lost seek the narrow door, this is a thing of the Spirit of God.

Lk 13 24 Jesus is speaking to His saved disciples to strive. Its lawful for the saved to strive in a spiritual context 2 Tim 2:5

And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

Jesus isnt telling the serpents who going to hell to strive to get saved Matt 23:32-33

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? You are desperate to undermine clear teaching of scripture 1 Cor 2:14

 

[Brightfame52]

More Gibberish, addressing the believers, and IGNORING Paul spoke to them as he spoke to men of flesh. Not one of these posters ever has addressed the actual evidence, but simply repeats their usual deflections.

You are desperate, the carnal believers f 1 Cor 3:1-3 arent natural men of 1 Cor 2:14, you comparing that which isnt equal

 

[Van]

Paul was addressing those acting as IF they were still in the flesh, not saying unsaved can receiving spiritual truths

More Gibberish, denying Paul spoke as to "men of flesh." Note how none of these posters actually address the issue.

 

[Van]

Lk 13 24 Jesus is speaking to His saved disciples to strive. Its lawful for the saved to strive in a spiritual context 2 Tim 2:5

And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

Jesus isnt telling the serpents who going to hell to strive to get saved Matt 23:32-33

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? You are desperate to undermine clear teaching of scripture 1 Cor 2:14

Gibberish, many lost will seek the narrow door and not find it.

 

[Brightfame52]

Gibberish, many lost will seek the narrow door and not find it.

The natural man cannot know/understand the things of the Spirit of God. When it says neither can he know, it means he doesnt have the ability, and the Gospel according to scripture is of the Spirit of God, the Spirit inspired it.

 

[Brightfame52]

More Gibberish, denying Paul spoke as to "men of flesh." Note how none of these posters actually address the issue.

The Corinthians of 1 Cor 3:1-3 were spiritual, they had the Spirit, so they were not natural men as per 1 Cor 2:14. They had a spiritual advantage over the natural man

 

[Van]

The natural man cannot know/understand the things of the Spirit of God. When it says neither can he know, it means he doesnt have the ability, and the Gospel according to scripture is of the Spirit of God, the Spirit inspired it.

What a waste, is there no one who understands that Paul spoke to men of flesh using spiritual milk? Or that the lost sought the narrow door requiring an understanding of spiritual milk.

 

[Brightfame52]

What a waste, is there no one who understands that Paul spoke to men of flesh using spiritual milk? Or that the lost sought the narrow door requiring an understanding of spiritual milk.

Those who are on milk are not natural men. The milk is spiritual milk to nourish new spiritual life. The Natural man cant know milk or any other spiritual nourishment because they are spiritually dead. Do you think a mother will breast feed a dead baby ? The baby needs life first. The Natural man has no spiritual life. Do you understand now ?

 

[Van]

Those who are on milk are not natural men. The milk is spiritual milk to nourish new spiritual life. The Natural man cant know milk or any other spiritual nourishment because they are spiritually dead. Do you think a mother will breast feed a dead baby ? The baby needs life first. The Natural man has no spiritual life. Do you understand now ?

What a waste, is there no one who understands that Paul spoke to men of flesh using spiritual milk? Or that the lost sought the narrow door requiring an understanding of spiritual milk?

Just because the lost partake of spiritual milk to various degrees, from zero to all they can drink, does not mean they are "on spiritual milk." Only those born anew get a steady diet. But even then, some do not feed enough to grow our to carnality.

But all that is a diversion, as those pushing falsehood do not address why Paul spoke to "men of flesh" (lost, non-indwelt people) using spiritual milk. No, to address the truth of scripture is not a behavior of those pushing their agenda.

 

[Brightfame52]

What a waste, is there no one who understands that Paul spoke to men of flesh using spiritual milk? Or that the lost sought the narrow door requiring an understanding of spiritual milk?

Just because the lost partake of spiritual milk to various degrees, from zero to all they can drink, does not mean they are "on spiritual milk." Only those born anew get a steady diet. But even then, some do not feed enough to grow our to carnality.

But all that is a diversion, as those pushing falsehood do not address why Paul spoke to "men of flesh" (lost, non-indwelt people) using spiritual milk. No, to address the truth of scripture is not a behavior of those pushing their agenda.

Spiritual babes use milk, they have been born again babes 1 Pet 1

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

2 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

Babes can act carnal, but yet they still are born again, but they are not the natural man who has not been born again. Spiritual truth can be grasped by a born again babe,

But the natural man of 1 Cor 2:14 lacks that spiritual capacity, he cannot understand spiritually. Milk is spiritual

 

[Van]

Spiritual babes use milk, they have been born again babes 1 Pet 1

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

2 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

Babes can act carnal, but yet they still are born again, but they are not the natural man who has not been born again. Spiritual truth can be grasped by a born again babe,

But the natural man of 1 Cor 2:14 lacks that spiritual capacity, he cannot understand spiritually. Milk is spiritual

Pointless to continue. Note the agenda driven response, avoiding the reason Paul spoke to "men of flesh" using spiritual milk.

Folks, this is all they have, read into verses what they do not say, and nullify verses that preclude their additions to scripture.

Disheartening...

 

[Brightfame52]

Pointless to continue. Note the agenda driven response, avoiding the reason Paul spoke to "men of flesh" using spiritual milk.

Folks, this is all they have, read into verses what they do not say, and nullify verses that preclude their additions to scripture.

Disheartening...

Its quite clear to me you dont know the difference between a born again person, a believer who still may act out carnally, but still has the Spirit, and a natural unregenerate person who does not have the Spirit. Its the natural man who cannot know the things of the Spirit of God.

 

[Van]

Its quite clear to me you dont know the difference between a born again person, a believer who still may act out carnally, but still has the Spirit, and a natural unregenerate person who does not have the Spirit. Its the natural man who cannot know the things of the Spirit of God.

Once again, this poster addresses my supposed disability, and does not address why Paul spoke to men of flesh using spiritual milk.
Folks, this is all they have, they read into verses what they do not say, and nullify verses that preclude their additions to scripture.

Commentary J-F-B​

Paul had to speak to them as he would to men wholly natural, inasmuch as they are still carnal (1Co 3:3) in many respects, notwithstanding their conversion (1Co 1:4-9).​

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[kyredneck]

Folks

Lol, Van and his imaginary captivated audience…

 

[Van]

Lol, Van and his imaginary captivated audience…

Once again these posters address me, and run from the fact Paul spoke to men of flesh, the unregenerate lost, using spiritual milk.

Can they answer the question, why did Paul use spiritual milk when talking to the lost? Nope.

So they change the subject, thinking the "folks" are too dull to realize the flimflam.

 

[Van]

Romans 2:15 NASB
in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,

If we consider the Greek verbs in this verse, are they passive or are they either middle or active?

The Blue Letter Interlinear says "show" is middle, meaning the people act upon themselves to acquire what is displayed. The verb "testifying" is active, the person's conscience is making known whether something is consistent or inconsistent with what they have written on their own hearts.

There is no support from this version of the grammar for "passive" reception from the supernatural.

Romans 3:11 says no one understands, but does not say say no one ever understands, because many verses teach some of the lost sometimes seek God, such as Luke 13:24. So the biblical interpretation is no one understands all things or all the time because we all sin, whether we know it or not.

Romans 1:20 says we perceive what is displayed before us passively, but once passively displayed before us, we "are" without excuse. And of course the "are" is active, we know what we have seen in our experience, such as God's love and righteousness.

Lastly Romans 1:19 does teach that God actively displays or makes evident to people what His attributes are, but the information is derived from what He has made, not from some claimed supernatural enablement.

The effort to add more than necessary for God to bring to light spiritual things including the gospel is without any actual basis in scripture.

The written word, the "Law" of God, leads people to Christ. Not the soil #1 types of Matthew 13, for they have been blinded, but soils # 2,3, and 4 "receive" (hear and understand) the gospel, as they have not been blinded. These are the ones "drawn" by the Father. But of "these" only those whose faith God credits as righteousness are given to Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

Once again, this poster addresses my supposed disability, and does not address why Paul spoke to men of flesh using spiritual milk.
Folks, this is all they have, they read into verses what they do not say, and nullify verses that preclude their additions to scripture.

Commentary J-F-B​

Paul had to speak to them as he would to men wholly natural, inasmuch as they are still carnal (1Co 3:3) in many respects, notwithstanding their conversion (1Co 1:4-9).​

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Do you think a natural man has the Spirit of God ? Yes or no second question, does a born again person has both a carnal man and a Spiritual nature ? If so which one understands the things of the Spirit ? Duh