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No, I can't show you anything. God will have to do that! I will point out what I believe is heretical though. There is no "universal" church in scriptures. There is no baptism in the Spirit in the sense of immersing one spiritually "in Christ." We are "created in Christ" spiritually by new birth/quickening and all born again people are in one family - the family of God by birth not by any kind of baptism or membership in any kind of church. Those "in Adam" are "in the flesh' because they were "born of the flesh" not baptized into Adam. Those "in Christ" are "in the Spirit" because they were "born of the Spirit" not baptized into Christ.

The church of the New Testament cannot precede its own "foundation" which consists of apostles and then prophets in that order as gifted men that were first and second "set it" it. Hence, the church does not precede the earthly ministry of Christ. They are confusing the church with the family of God and thereby perverting Biblical salvation as their doctrine denies anyone prior to Pentecost was "in Christ" and there is no salvation of any kind for anyone outside of Christ (Acts 4:12; Jn. 14:6).

It leaves baptism undefined and thus regards wet people as baptized when they are not. Where there is no true baptism there is no true churches. Find any congregation of unbaptized believers in scripture?

 

Its funny you would declare disfellowshipping and candlestick removal.

Being that they were once saved. Eternal Security Card now goes into play.

They were already saved BEFORE.

License to Sin. It doesn't matter who does what. Even error of doctrine, since practicing proper doctrine isn't the deciding factor.


You can play a hand that says they never had it to begin with. But then you have to fumble back this disfellowship and candlestick removal.

In other words you can't kick someone out the church who has never been in the church.


That's like I a Catholic say well I'm kick you out the Catholic church.


Absurd being that the only way IN the church is being BORN AGAIN.


Bottom line. YOU don't even believe in eternal security cause if you did you'd act like it.

Warning other churches they have to do "right" rather then "WRONG".

So now they have to do good works to be legit! What happened to faith alone?

Its like your hitting every branch down the I TOLD YOU SO TREE!

 

If for a minute I believed that Good Works would be of no benefit towards salvation and that only GOD can provide election/faith to SAVE you once and for all.

I would not bother with none of ya'll.

My day would go like this..............
Lord those folks, I ask of you father please elect them, give them faith, and guide them to salvation, AMEN!


And that is it! That is a ACTUAL belief that only GOD can fix it.



Now someone in a church starts teaching wrong doctrine. If they are already saved doesn't matter, He can't' HELP or HINDER anyone else, because its on God anyways.

And if He's not saved. Well there is nothing I can do! Again we go back to praying to God, Dear Lord can you find it in your heart to fix this guy with election/faith/ect.


Your in your house......It starts to rain.......do you open an umbrella? You think that's ridiculous?


If after clearly understanding that direct divine intervention is required for a person's salvation, understanding of scripture, correction ect..... I would have to be STUPID to appeal to the sinner rather then God concerning his salvation. I would have to be DUMB to believe a church buddy teaching the wrong thing puts anyone in jeopardy.

 

You know that story can be applied in reverse as well.

 

I worked in the upper levels of the SBC rubbing shoulders with the leadership and saw the politics first hand. In the lower levels of what you call "autonomous" churches I saw the power plays of area missionaries upon congregations first hand. I was called to the ministry in an SBC church, married an SBC girl, went to an SBC Seminary and so I understand the SBC fairly well.

 

I know nothing about your particular church. I do know about the particular church I was a member in, and when we were without a Pastor, they supplied us an interim pastor that the majority of the church liked and was considering to call. However, that displeased the area missionary who directly inferred by contacting certain members and turned them against the man because he was a sickly man who could not mow the laws and he read his sermons. I and another man of the church confronted the area missionary and asked him to butt out of our businesss but he did not. It discourged some members in somuch that some left. The structure of the SBC is unbiblical as far as I am concerned and lends to concentrating too much power in too few of people. I was part of the SBC between 1974-1982.

 

Do you deal with religions according to how they arrive at their conclusions or according to what you know the bible clearly teaches? Is the bible or sincerity and/or ignorance the basis for defining error? It seems that some on this forum think they should not treat error as error because people are either sincere in their error or sincere in arriving at the error.

 

Oh so you don't attend their church servies or allow them to preach in your pulpit as that is sitting under their teachings.

Preaching and teaching is not worship? Are the songs void of Bibical teaching?

What do you mean by "the same baptism"???? What baptism are you speaking about?

So it is not church services you attend, just special singing?

 

In the New Testament each congregation directly handled their own money through their own chosen representative freely cooperating with other churches who directly handled their own finances apart from any parachurch organization without any president, secretary, etc. No one can claim the position of an apostle nor can any organization. NT churches had DIRECT instead of INDIRECT control over their own finances all the way to the intended recipient.

 

So you got born again 1983? Born Again TAKE 2 They are a false religion and no one in there is eternally secure. You say they are unbiblical.

Cause Pope Bib didn't like his bishop's authority.


Hey SBC is wrong, TOLD YOU SO. Back then you would have swore right, I'm ready to tell you told you so AGAIN.

All we got to do is wait till things don't go your way again, in whatever you call it now faith.

You'll be knifing them back too. Saying no they not biblical, no they not eternally secure, no they not like me. I, I ,I, ME , ME, ME.