Iranian assassination ill-advised

[church mouse guy]

Kicking out the Iranians

"Some people have learned the hard way you don't want to get Donald Trump mad at you. The long overdue killing of Quds Force leader Qassem Soleimani may mark the final showdown in the long struggle for Iraq between the relatively pro-Western side and Iran's Shiite fanatics. The Middle East's ultimate bad guy, Soleimani was the author of all the death and terror the regime has exported to Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The Obama folks forbade his killing, protecting him from Israel. Trump lifted this ban two years ago, but it took good old American firepower to get the job done.

Not surprisingly, Soleimani played a major role in setting up the Iraqi government that collapsed last month amid violent protests by young Iraqis against the malign influence of Iran's mullah regime.

With Soleimani out of the way, we need to push quickly for a new Iraqi government that will finally do the people's business, kick out the Iranian forces, and disarm their Shiite militia allies. The vast majority of the Iraqi people would support such an effort. The problem is, the Iranians have bought off or scared off all the politicians.

While the Iranians are deeply unpopular, the U.S. has already gone more than the extra mile to keep Iraq a viable country. It's only because of U.S. support for the Baghdad government that Iraqi Kurds were unable to effect their independence two years ago. I would think President Trump right now is telling the Baghdad leaders this is their last chance. Get the Iranians and their militias out, or we do the unthinkable — revisit the post-WWI borders of the Middle East and recognize an independent Kurdistan.

Given the last couple of months, does anyone not doubt that Trump now has his own ideas in the region and means business?

As for Iran itself, we should do everything to support the current mass movement against the mullahs. The people there despise the brutal regime in power, and thanks to the economic sanctions Trump has wisely invoked, things will only get worse for the mullahs. Given the ease with which Soleimani was dispatched, I would think Supreme Leader Khamanei is now in hiding, lest a U.S. cruise missile with his name on it come calling. These creeps never learn, though, and once he thinks he is personally safe, he will no doubt feign cooperation while ordering terror reprisals, bringing on a wider conflict.

For forty years now, ever since these despicable thugs took power in Tehran, the day of reckoning has been coming. Most American leaders, from Jimmy Carter to Barack Obama, have done all they could to ignore or appease the mullahs. But now ordinary citizens of Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran risk their lives every day fighting these terrible people. This new year may be the final nasty end to it all. We can only pray that it is.

Frank Friday is an attorney in Louisville, Ky."

Thank you, Kentucky!

After the Iranians launched two terrorist attacks against Jews in Buenos Aires, the Israeli Embassy and a couple of years later a Jewish community center, former President Cristina Elisabet Fernández de Kirchner took $500,000 cash in Caracas from the Iranians to forget about it. She is accused in the assassination of Jewish special prosecutor Alberto Nisman in 2015. She is a Peronist like Pope Francis, if you want to know how evil the Peronists are. Right now she back in power as the vice-president. Things got hot for her crooked daughter who went to Cuba for "medical attention." The other day Cristina went to Cuba to visit her daughter. A whole bunch of Iranian high officials, which I listed above, are wanted by Interpol for murder, which Nisman did get done before he himself was murdered. So Iran is murdering people all over the world. I know Jimmy Carter wouldn't do anything but I am so happy that President Trump did something.

 

[asterisktom]

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How does the killing of Soleimani make the world safer? Iran is an exporter of terrorism. It never pays a personal price for all the horrors they bring upon innocent civilians.

I don't have time to answer all these posts, but this one stuck out.

"Terrorism" is one of those trigger words that generate more heat than light ... or precision. Certainly Iran and Iraq are guilty of much of it. But we are too. That is, if you really stop to think what terrorism is - the causing of terror. What do you think our drones do to the thousands of civilians in these countries? I worked with an Iraqi man in New Mexico who could tell quite a few tales about life in his country, the buzzing sound of the drone that can be heard far away. Is that not terror? Never knowing when or where that sound is merely the precursor to death.

Yes, we take out the bad guys. But for every bad guy we also take out a number of uninvolved civilians. And then the relatives of those innocents killed now have a reason to hate us. Do you not see how this makes us terrorists?

And, yes, to quote you We "never pay a personal price for all the horrors [we] bring upon innocent civilians."

 

[InTheLight]

I don't have time to answer all these posts,

Pompeo said that taking out the Iranian general made the world safer, and Americans in the area safer. The State department tells Americans to leave the area any way they can.

Does no one see this contradiction?

The area the state department wanted Americans citizens to leave was Baghdad and the immediate surrounding area. They had intel that Soleimani had attacks planned on US citizens in this area.

The area that will be safer now that Soleimani is dead is the entire middle east. These two "areas" are not the same, so no, I don't see the contradiction.



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[asterisktom]

Define "the area". Is the area that Americans will be safer in the very same area that they were told to evacuate? Then I might be able to take a shot at an explanation.

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Pompeo said "Americans in the Middle East" (per Business Insider) would be safer.

 

[asterisktom]

Is it unthinkable to you that Trump could be a godsend? Literally.

Every president is a godsend.

Trump reminds me, maybe, of Jehu. He is not what he pretends to be, but he does some good in cleaning house. But not nearly as much as he said he would do.

And my biggest issue with Trump is the thing he said he would not do - but does, despite his campaign promises. Speaking of his continuing our pointless wars.

 

[Rob_BW]

And, yes, to quote you We "never pay a personal price for all the horrors [we] bring upon innocent civilians."

Maybe you don't.

 

[asterisktom]

Maybe you don't.

I guess you have an irony deficiency.

 

[Reformed]

"Terrorism" is one of those trigger words that generate more heat than light ... or precision. Certainly Iran and Iraq are guilty of much of it. But we are too. That is, if you really stop to think what terrorism is - the causing of terror. What do you think our drones do to the thousands of civilians in these countries?

Tom, what do you think war does? All war is waged against civilians. In America's history, no one knew this better than William Tecumseh Sherman. Sherman's "total war" doctrine did not spare any military asset or civilian asset that could be used to support the enemy militarily. The Romans did this. The Carthaginians also. Truly, all war is hell. Terrorism as we know it is different. It is not concerned with a military objective. It is not about removing a threat or retaliating against an attack. It is purely ideological/political in nature. The attack that took out Soleimani was a military attack; an attack against an Iranian military asset that posed a real credible threat to American personnel and interests.

And, yes, to quote you We "never pay a personal price for all the horrors [we] bring upon innocent civilians."

I would say that the American Civil War was the judgment of God on our nation for the sin of man-stealing (slavery). The devaluing of human life and the godlessness that permeates our society is the result of America closing its heart to the murder of nearly 60,000,000 unborn babies. These things are real consequences of sin but they do not equate as easily to what happens during war time.

 

[church mouse guy]

Some Dems wage war. Harry Truman dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan, as you know. Obama took out Osama. Clinton took out Epstein. Pelosi took out decency & kindness.

 

[asterisktom]

Tom, what do you think war does? All war is waged against civilians. In America's history, no one knew this better than William Tecumseh Sherman. Sherman's "total war" doctrine did not spare any military asset or civilian asset that could be used to support the enemy militarily. The Romans did this. The Carthaginians also. Truly, all war is hell. Terrorism as we know it is different. It is not concerned with a military objective. It is not about removing a threat or retaliating against an attack. It is purely ideological/political in nature. The attack that took out Soleimani was a military attack; an attack against an Iranian military asset that posed a real credible threat to American personnel and interests.



I would say that the American Civil War was the judgment of God on our nation for the sin of man-stealing (slavery). The devaluing of human life and the godlessness that permeates our society is the result of America closing its heart to the murder of nearly 60,000,000 unborn babies. These things are real consequences of sin but they do not equate as easily to what happens during war time.

You make it sound that war is inevitable like earthquakes and plagues. Yes, I know what war is about. The question is not What? but Why. Specifically, why are we in this ever-spiraling entanglement in the Middle East region. I would love for us to have a president to have the backbone to say No to the military-industrial complex insatiable apatite for breaking foreign houses houses and heads for selfish monetary gain. I had hoped that Trump would have been that man. He talked like it on the campaign trail.

 

[church mouse guy]

When the Dems get back in power, we know that they will return to the Jimmy Carter Iranian foreign policy. The Dems now have the Muslim vote in the USA as well as the leftist vote. Guess who will defeat the left in the long run? People in Indianapolis know because we have the HQ for the Muslim Brotherhood here: Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). Talk about the gates of hell--that place is so evil I have never even driven within a mile of it.

 

[Rob_BW]

I guess you have an irony deficiency.

Maybe. Or perhaps after you've been contacted by a young woman asking you for stories about the father she never got to know, you have different ideas about who all pays a personal price in war.

 

[Reformed]

You make it sound that war is inevitable like earthquakes and plagues.

War is not inevitable but when war happens it engulfs everything around it.

why are we in this ever-spiraling entanglement in the Middle East region.

Great question. When George W. Bush committed ground troops to Iraq and Afghanistan it was a result of the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor. There was a just cause for retaliation. However, retaliation was replaced by occupation. I feared that would happen right from the inception. Add to that the inept intelligence on Weapons of Mass Destruction, the personal agendas of the military-industrial complex (which Dwight Eisenhower rightly warned about), fear of future attacks, and politics and you get what we have today. The problem is that once our troops were committed pulling them out without a plan for their absence has been like looking for an honest man in congress.

The Pentagon is warning of the risks of creating a power vacuum if American forces pull out completely. Who will fill the void that will be created after our troops are gone? Another Johnny-come-lately to the terrorist club? Probably. We do need to pull out of these countries while at the same time protecting our security. I wish I had the answer to solving that problem.

 

[kyredneck]

Every president is a godsend.

This one loves the America I remember growing up in.

Trump reminds me, maybe, of Jehu. He is not what he pretends to be, but he does some good in cleaning house. But not nearly as much as he said he would do.

He's kept more promises (or tried) than any other President in my lifetime. You got one in mind that has pleased you well?

And my biggest issue with Trump is the thing he said he would not do - but does, despite his campaign promises. Speaking of his continuing our pointless wars.

He's trying, besides 'the complex' opposing him at every turn, the situation he inherited can't be resolved overnight.

 

[Reformed]

Here is a reasonable expectation as a result of the attack on Qassem Soleimani: Iranian Revolutionary Guard commander threatens attacks on 'vital' US destroyers, warships

If Iran attempts to carry out this threat it will be an escalation. Logically, we could expect an American response. How bad could it get? It depends. We have enough assets in the Persian Gulf area that we could effectively destroy the Iranian navy. Like I said previously, an Iranian attack would be all the cover President Trump would need to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. Let us pray this is all bluster and posturing. Hopefully, none of us actually want war with Iran.

 

[kyredneck]

If Iran attempts to carry out this threat it will be an escalation.

Yea, as in the end of their Navy for one thing. Not to mention targets such as oil industry and nuclear facilities. Iran is actually very vulnerable to our air power.

 

[xlsdraw]

Toxic Patriotism

Pompeo said that taking out the Iranian general made the world safer, and Americans in the area safer. The State department tells Americans to leave the area any way they can.

Does no one see this contradiction?

It is sad that so many Christians are totally behind whatever Trump does. He, instead of putting an end to our foreign involvements, is dragging us into yet another war.

How can so many people not see through this man?

What I see, and you obviously cannot see and don't want to see, is prophecy being fulfilled. And I have no doubt, that you will do your part. Ezekiel's war is coming. America is not Israel's Savior. America will not be glorified in her preservation. God shall be Israel's Savior. And God shall receive the glory, exactly as prophecied.

Whilst Israel has been established and maturing post-WW2. America, during the same time frame, has been involved in numerous military conflicts post-WW2, without the benefit of clearly breaking the emnity in those with whom we have engaged in military conflict.

The result has been twofold. First, Americans have become war-weary and cannot perceive benefit in being drawn into major conflict, as we were in WW1 and WW2 and beyond. Secondly, post-WW2, anti-conflict entities have been thoroughly developed that know exactly what to say and exactly what to do to both, block an American President from committing the nation to a major war, and exactly how to steer the populous into an anti-conflict position.

I have no doubt that this nation will succeed in blocking President Trump from participating in the Gog-Magog war. And I have no doubt that the Gog-Magog alliance believe this. Which explains the boldness and confidence that these nations are demonstrating, in recent years, in defying US initiatives.

The world representative entities, such as, the UN and ICC, are thoroughly anti-Israel, and to a lesser degree anti-America. As consistently demonstrated by America's lone standing veto voting record in the UN Security Council against perpetual anti-Israel proposals.

Everything is proceeding, exactly as it would need to, for Ezekiel's war to occur exactly as prophecied. And the world cannot see it coming, as referenced in Ezekiel 38:13.

Revelation 22:20-21. 20) He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21) The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

 

[Yeshua1]

War is not inevitable but when war happens it engulfs everything around it.



Great question. When George W. Bush committed ground troops to Iraq and Afghanistan it was a result of the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor. There was a just cause for retaliation. However, retaliation was replaced by occupation. I feared that would happen right from the inception. Add to that the inept intelligence on Weapons of Mass Destruction, the personal agendas of the military-industrial complex (which Dwight Eisenhower rightly warned about), fear of future attacks, and politics and you get what we have today. The problem is that once our troops were committed pulling them out without a plan for their absence has been like looking for an honest man in congress.

The Pentagon is warning of the risks of creating a power vacuum if American forces pull out completely. Who will fill the void that will be created after our troops are gone? Another Johnny-come-lately to the terrorist club? Probably. We do need to pull out of these countries while at the same time protecting our security. I wish I had the answer to solving that problem.

The big problem is that we are not allowing the Military to fight any of these wars, as we keep trying to politicize the conflict, and we force our soldiersto adapt stupid rules of engagement like under Obama, where have to keeps guns always locked and without live ammo! We never learned from Vietnam, once any war is engaged, regardless it should have been, once there, allow Military to fight to finish the war!

 

[kyredneck]

an American response. How bad could it get?

The right 'surgical' responses could very well be the tipping point that allows the populace to rid themselves of the tyranny of the Mullahs.

 

[Benjamin]

Toxic Patriotism

Pompeo said that taking out the Iranian general made the world safer, and Americans in the area safer. The State department tells Americans to leave the area any way they can.

Does no one see this contradiction?

It is sad that so many Christians are totally behind whatever Trump does. He, instead of putting an end to our foreign involvements, is dragging us into yet another war.

How can so many people not see through this man?

#1 There are consequences for action and there are consequences for inaction. Don’t expect others to follow your lead with sticking their heads in the sand.

#1 If one can’t handle wrestling with the big dogs, he should get himself a puppy and find a safe place to tuck his tail until its settled, because no one wants to hear your whimpering.

#3 Just because this guy looks like George Clooney doesn’t make him just another harmless loud mouth.