1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Is divorce a theological issue

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Salty, Nov 18, 2018.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,953
    Likes Received:
    708
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The elect always overcome sin and repent.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  2. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Is that a yes or a no?
     
  3. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,953
    Likes Received:
    708
    Faith:
    Baptist
    “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10) (KJV 1900)
     
  4. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So no saved person will ever get a divorce, and especially never remarry, correct?
     
  5. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,953
    Likes Received:
    708
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Probably not.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You have a view on this that cannot be supported by the scriptures, as that view means that the death of Jesus cannot overcome the sin of divorce.
    Is this the only sin that he cannot cleanse? How about murder or committing sexual sins?
     
  7. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    38,981
    Likes Received:
    2,616
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Lets see - a man could bare a child with his girlfriend - and then leave her high and dry.
    Five years later he gets married to another women -then shortly after he and his wife are
    saved. But since he was never divorced - he can now serve as a pastor?
     
  8. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,953
    Likes Received:
    708
    Faith:
    Baptist
    “For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,” (Hebrews 10:26) (NASB95)

    This means the person was never saved in the first place.
     
  9. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Every divorced and remarried person was never saved? That is really bad theology!
     
  10. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    NOTHING to do about divorce, but was about going back to Judaism and the temple sacrificial system, and not trusting in Jesus to save them!
     
  11. PreacherBruce

    PreacherBruce New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2018
    Messages:
    13
    Likes Received:
    3
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Hi Yeshua1,

    Thanks for contributing to this thread that was formed due to my original post. May God bless you mightily.

    I'll just make a couple of comments and hope that you take them in the spirit in which they are intended.

    One of the reasons that I believe that divorce does not dissolve a marriage is that in chapter 3 of the book of Jeremiah, God clearly says that He had given Israel a bill of divorce:

    "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also."
    Jeremiah 3:8

    And then He says a little later in that same chapter that He is (not "was") married to her (Israel):

    "Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:"
    Jeremiah 3:14

    Another reason that I believe that remarriage after divorce from a God-honored marriage does not dissolve a marriage is what God plainly says in the book of Romans:

    "For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man."

    Does not this plainly teach that the adultery continues as long as this woman's husband lives?

    Still another reason that I believe that divorce and remarriage does not dissolve a marriage is that Jesus said that remarriage after divorce from a valid marriage is adultery. In this context, "adultery" is a very simple word with a very plain meaning. It is a sin that has only applies to a current, ongoing marriage. How then, can the idea that adultery nullifies a marriage be reconciled with the clear meaning of this word?

    I completely agree with you that the blood of Jesus Christ does indeed cleanse us from all sin, but God clearly teaches us in His Word that it does not change sin into something righteous, and if we continue in sin, then it is still sin and it still needs to be repented of. Must we change the plain meaning of repentance so that it no longer results in a deliberate ceasing from the sin that is repented of? Are we to believe that if a habitual thief was saved and continued to steal from others that this is acceptable in the eyes a loving and holy God? Does the blood of Christ have power to save but no power to change how we live?

    Thanks again. If we disagree, I hope that we can still be friends. I have prayed that God will bless you.

    Brother Bruce
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  12. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Are you holding to then the same view as dave1689 that 2 Christians who divorced and then remarried must show real repentance by divorcing each other?
     
  13. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,953
    Likes Received:
    708
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So Jews didn't need to repent from sin?
     
  14. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,953
    Likes Received:
    708
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I think it is probably true if they did not repent.
     
  15. PreacherBruce

    PreacherBruce New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2018
    Messages:
    13
    Likes Received:
    3
    Faith:
    Baptist
    My basic answer is "yes" but please allow me to explain:

    I do believe that if two people who had never been married before in God's eyes divorce and then one of them "remarries" that God clearly calls that person an adulterer and requires that person to repent (in the Bible sense of this word). As a Bible believer I don't see that there is any way around this.

    This would require what the world calls a "divorce" and the resultant acceptance of all lawful civil responsibilities that go along with this. But I believe that, as Christians, we should look at things the way that God sees them (regardless of the consequences), and I believe that God wouldn't consider this to be "divorce" at all, but rather a turning away from sinful living. I believe that this is what a true child of God will do once they come to an understanding of what God teaches on this subject, and that they will do so out of childlike faith in His Word and out of obedience to God because they love Him. I believe that God always honors obedience and that He can resolve things that seem impossible to us when our eyes are on Him and we follow Him.

    "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
    In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."
    Proverbs 3:5-6

    Respectfully,
    Brother Bruce
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,953
    Likes Received:
    708
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The way I see it, divorce doesn't exist today in God's eyes. It was an Old Covenant provision not included in the New Covenant. All divorce today is of pagan origin and meaningless. Paul tells believers deserted by unbelievers to be reconciled or remain single.
     
  17. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Hebrews in THAT passage was referring to the specific sinning of rejecting Jesus as the sacrificial Lamb for sins, and going back to temple Judaism!
     
  18. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Repenting as defined by not divorcing from the person now remarried?
     
  19. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,953
    Likes Received:
    708
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Repenting = stop committing adultery.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    And per you, we can only do that by divorcing again!
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...