reply to 12 Strings;
How about you responding to my posts!!!!!! I am tired of Calvinists making charges, i.e. I have not explained this or that, yet when I do, I am greeted with another question, rather than a response.
God knew that Adam would Fall, God chose Christ before creation and because in Christ, we are redeemed from our fallen condition of separation.
God knew that Peter would deny Jesus, so He knew beforehand, and Peter's denial was predestined. I do not think Peter's sinful act had penalty attached, because a predestined action would be forgiven, it seems to me. So the fact that people are punished for their deeds, means that all sins are not predestined and therefore penalty attaches. Unless of course God forgives them and remembers them, at least the penalty of them, no more forever.
It is correct to say God arranged the fall, He put the tree in the Garden, told Adam not to eat of it, and allowed others to offer it in an attractive way. But, no scripture that I am aware of says God knew Adam would choose to sin, and therefore compelled or authored Adam's sin.
In summary, before Adam was created, God's plan included the fall. Adam was created with the capacity to choose to sin or not sin. God arranged for Adam to be tested, but did not predestine the outcome by looking into Adams heart and creating a circumstance that He knew would result in sin.
Note that in the account, Genesis 3, God says what have you done, which suggests God had chosen not to know. And then, because you listened to your wife, as the basis of the curse. Adam chose to sin, and while sooner or later that sin would occur in accordance with God's plan of creation, God did not compel Adam to sin.
How about you responding to my posts!!!!!! I am tired of Calvinists making charges, i.e. I have not explained this or that, yet when I do, I am greeted with another question, rather than a response.
God knew that Adam would Fall, God chose Christ before creation and because in Christ, we are redeemed from our fallen condition of separation.
God knew that Peter would deny Jesus, so He knew beforehand, and Peter's denial was predestined. I do not think Peter's sinful act had penalty attached, because a predestined action would be forgiven, it seems to me. So the fact that people are punished for their deeds, means that all sins are not predestined and therefore penalty attaches. Unless of course God forgives them and remembers them, at least the penalty of them, no more forever.
It is correct to say God arranged the fall, He put the tree in the Garden, told Adam not to eat of it, and allowed others to offer it in an attractive way. But, no scripture that I am aware of says God knew Adam would choose to sin, and therefore compelled or authored Adam's sin.
In summary, before Adam was created, God's plan included the fall. Adam was created with the capacity to choose to sin or not sin. God arranged for Adam to be tested, but did not predestine the outcome by looking into Adams heart and creating a circumstance that He knew would result in sin.
Note that in the account, Genesis 3, God says what have you done, which suggests God had chosen not to know. And then, because you listened to your wife, as the basis of the curse. Adam chose to sin, and while sooner or later that sin would occur in accordance with God's plan of creation, God did not compel Adam to sin.
