Is God the Cause of sin and evil in the world ?

[savedbymercy]

ts

Not only are you making a poor argument it is clear you haven't read anything after the first sentence or you would know your statement to be false.

I know you have evaded my points that I have taken time to make with scripture !

If you wanna prove me wrong lets begin with the OP. Lets see you deal with each point and show how they are wrong, use scripture !

 

[Thinkingstuff]

ts



I know you have evaded my points that I have taken time to make with scripture !

You know no such thing. The only thing you know is that you believe what you espouse is true despite facts, observations, and what scripture is given back to you in response.

If you wanna prove me wrong lets begin with the OP. Lets see you deal with each point and show how they are wrong, use scripture

LOL! Not only did I respond to the OP and quote it, and discredited your first point you haven't provided an answer to my refutal of your position save to say I never refuted you which I certianly did. I showed you how you were wrong with the very first scripture verse you used. And your answer is to stubbornly suggest nothing happened. When you deal with that verse maybe I'll go on to the other verses you quote in that post.

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

You know no such thing.

Yes I do !

LOL! Not only did I respond to the OP and quote it,

You responded but it was a rabbit trail response and still evasive. You posted

Uh no
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the evil which consists in the defect of action is always caused by the defect of the agent. But in God there is no defect, but the highest perfection, as was shown above (Question 4, Article 1). Hence, the evil which consists in defect of action, or which is caused by defect of the agent, is not reduced to God as to its cause. - Summa Theologica

Now read the OP, who said anything about a defect in God ? Who denied any perfection in God ?

Now here is my OP

Is God the Cause of sin and evil in the world ?

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The answer to the question is absolutely Yes ! All things are made or created for God's good pleasure Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

If we believe in the True and Living God, then we ought know He is the First Cause of all causes.

He created the devil for His Pleasure and ordained his activities, He created Adam for His pleasure and ordained his activities and the subsequent consequences.

From the time God said this Gen 1:1-3

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

It put into effect this Eph 1:11


In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

If we do not believe this, rest in this, and we do debate it, reject it, we are no better off than an athiest ! We are as David wrote Ps 14:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Now, you show me how you disproved anything I stated in the OP ? You went off on a tangent !

 

[Thinkingstuff]

ts
Yes I do !

we could go back and forth with this ie "yes you do, no you don't" and its just childish.

You responded but it was a rabbit trail response and still evasive

Prove your assertion

You posted

I didn't post that in this thread. In fact review this thread shows I didn't post that at all. To whom then are you referring? Also you fail to understand Thomas Aquinas view of evil. He doesn't believe it to be a creation of God but a natural result of privation of good.

For evil is the absence of the good - Summa Theologia question 49 answer

Also

Evil has no direct cause, but only an accidental cause, as was said above - Summa Theologica question 49 reply to objection 4

Strange that you would attempt to quote him. Do you even read Aquinas?

Now read the OP, who said anything about a defect in God ? Who denied any perfection in God ?

No one. In fact It seems to me that you are arguing with an invisible poster. You are reading post that haven't been made at least not by me.

Now here is my OP

I've read it and responded to it. Funny how you didn't actuallly quote my post in response to it.

Now, you show me how you disproved anything I stated in the OP ? You went off on a tangent !

I have in post 207 and post 216 You still need to prove that I haven't disproved you and went off on a tangent. You haven't proved it. Your attempt was to quote someone else rather than me or made up something I never said.

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

we could go back and forth with this ie "yes you do, no you don't" and its just childish

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I just demonstrated how your response to my op stements were senseless and a rabbit trail that I refuse to chase.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

ts

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I just demonstrated how your response to my op stements were senseless and a rabbit trail that I refuse to chase.

You haven't. you didn't even quote my post. You haven't proved anything. You still need to prove that I did as you suggest. You fail to provide evidence. Please do so. It is also clear that by the speed of this post you made you fail to read my post so once again you are making assertions without facts as is your want.

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

You haven't

I did !

 

[Thinkingstuff]

ts



I did !

this is getting childish. It is clear you haven't. You seem to be lost in a world of your own both misuse of scripture and ability to see a reasonable response. You have provided a totally inadiquate defense of your position and its clear you do not read post provided to you. Until you actually want to participate in a discussion its best just not to have one because its is clear you are inadiquate to the challenge. However, I do want to thank you because you have unwittingly raised biblicist in my esteem. At least he participates in a discussion!

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

this is getting childish.

You can call it what you will, you have not disproved a single point yet I have made, but only evaded them to make me chase rabbit trails !

 

[Thinkingstuff]

ts



You can call it what you will, you have not disproved a single point yet I have made, but only evaded them to make me chase rabbit trails !

Show me my rabbit trails. Show me that I didn't disprove them. You can't! Why because I did disprove them and I didn't go on Rabbit Trails. The onus fall back on you. And no matter what I call it; it is still childish and you are in a world that's only relevant to you.

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

Show me my rabbit trails.

I already showed you one, thats enough for me !

 

[Thinkingstuff]

ts



I already showed you one, thats enough for me !

I told you that your supposed "quote" of what I said wasn't even me! So, either you purposely but a false quote (ie. lied) or you are very confused. In the end you haven't even done that. BTW how old are you? It seems that your argument style is kind of juvenile in form.

 

[savedbymercy]

I told you that your supposed "quote" of what I said wasn't even me! So, either you purposely but a false quote (ie. lied) or you are very confused. In the end you haven't even done that. BTW how old are you? It seems that your argument style is kind of juvenile in form.

I told you that your supposed "quote" of what I said wasn't even me!

Yes it was !

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Yes it was !

Prove it.................. Here is your post where you "supposedly quoted me" http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1908806&postcount=223
Up to that point I hadn't said that. Show me the post where I said that previous to that post. And now we see your rabbit trails. Your evasion. Your avoidance. You have no proof.

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

Prove it..................

I already did !

 

[Thinkingstuff]

ts



I already did !

Oh. You're just full of nonsense. I'm sorry of even wasting time with you. Continue in your happy place imaginary world I hope you enjoy yourself.

 

[The Biblicist]

Oh. You're just full of nonsense. I'm sorry of even wasting time with you. Continue in your happy place imaginary world I hope you enjoy yourself.

Not only is he irrational and full of nonsense but full of depravity that knows end of self-justification.

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

Oh. You're just full of nonsense

No you are, you are a deceiver and evader !

 

[savedbymercy]

Is God the cause of evil in this His World ? Yes He is, God is the First and Primary cause of all Evil, Sin and Death in His World Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

For God ordered the evil of sin and death for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ Christ Jesus.

Satan, that serpent, and Adam and eve all did perform their role in bringing about what God had Eternally Purposed, for all they did to bring sin and death into the world was only what God Himself, before they were ever created, deliberated what they should do, as it is explained in another place Acts 4:27-28

27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

Peter said that these in Vs 27 were gathered together, that is they were passive, they were brought together by the active predetermination of God, to do [carry out or execute] whatever God had purposed or determined to be done, and so it was with the serpent, Adam and Eve on that day eve by the behesting of the devil through the serpent did eat of the forbidden fruit and gave to her husband with her so that he could eat, for all that which then transpired was the Eternal purpose of God coming into fruition or realization !

 

[zara]

The answer to the question is absolutely Yes ! All things are made or created for God's good pleasure

Is God the Cause of sin and evil in the world ?

Absolutly not. Satan is the cause of all sin and evil. God gave us all a gift of "free will" to either choose good or evil. Evil was introduced by Adam and we all suffer the consequences of being tossed out of his care into the conflicts of nature.

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