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Is God the Cause of sin and evil in the world ?

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savedbymercy

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plain and simple

Are you saying(savedbymercy) that God created man with the intention of man sinning
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Yes, this World was made for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ Jesus ! God Created this World with the intention that Christ Jesus would Glorify Him by His Work of the Cross ! Jn 17:1-5

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Now you do understand that Christ's Work her involved dting for sin don't you ?

This Work was given Him to do before the World was !
 
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plain_n_simple

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savedbymercy said:
plain and simple



Yes, this World was made for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ Jesus ! God Created this World with the intention that Christ Jesus would Glorify Him by His Work of the Cross ! Jn 17:1-5

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Now you do understand that Christ's Work her involved dting for sin don't you ?

This Work was given Him to do before the World was !
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Not buyin' that one.
 
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savedbymercy

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DHK said:
In order that all, whosoever, believes in him might have eternal life.
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So do you understand now that God is the First Cause of sin coming into the World and that He wanted and willed Adam to sin in order to bring sin and death into the World, so that Christ would Glorify Him by His Saving Work of the Cross Jn 17:4

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Yes or No !
 
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DHK

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savedbymercy said:
So do you understand now that God is the First Cause of sin coming into the World and that He wanted and willed Adam to sin in order to bring sin and death into the World, so that Christ would Glorify Him by His Saving Work of the Cross Jn 17:4

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Yes or No !
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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I never said that or even implied it.
 
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savedbymercy

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DHK said:
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I never said that or even implied it.
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Well you still lack understanding that this World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ Jesus ! Eph 3:9-11

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
 
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savedbymercy

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God's Eternal Purpose of Love !



We know that God is the First cause of sin coming into the World, because God is the First cause of making manifest His Love to men, before the sin of Adam there was no evidence of God's Love to man. God giving Adam physical being and all the good physical things for his happiness and contentment in the beginning was not a token of God's Love, for ones material wellbeing has never been a gage for God's Love.

The Greatest Evidence of God's Love is the Giving of His Son' s Life to die for sinners 1 Jn 4:9

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

The word manifested phaneroō means:


to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to


Rom 5:8

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

The word commendeth here means to demonstrate

Eph 2:4

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

God before all worlds Sovereignly chose within Himself to show His Great Love for men or to demonstrate it by means of an Salvaic or Redemptive Purpose from sin through Jesus Christ Eph 3:9-11

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: For His Purpose

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
 
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Chowmah

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I believe satan is running things now and yes, God created satan. Jesus will return and set up His kingdom. The evil shall be no more
 
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billwald

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Then the situation described in Job 2 is still in effect? This universe is like a chess game between God and Satan?

If so, is there are observations, tests, experiments we can make to choose between Job 2 and The Matrix?
 
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Revmitchell

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savedbymercy said:
The answer to the question is absolutely Yes ! All things are made or created for God's good pleasure Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

If we believe in the True and Living God, then we ought know He is the First Cause of all causes.

He created the devil for His Pleasure and ordained his activities, He created Adam for His pleasure and ordained his activities and the subsequent consequences.

From the time God said this Gen 1:1-3

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

It put into effect this Eph 1:11


In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

If we do not believe this, rest in this, and we do debate it, reject it, we are no better off than an athiest ! We are as David wrote Ps 14:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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No, and placing the evil blame on God when there is none is evil and heresy of the highest form.
 
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savedbymercy

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Revmitchell said:
No, and placing the evil blame on God when there is none is evil and heresy of the highest form.
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I have used much scripture to make my points, and you just make an emotional response. Please deal with all the points I have made in posts 1,20,71,73,76

Please outline each point, explain what I am saying to make my points and then if you can provide refutation with scripture, if you wanna debate, just making an emotional statement means nothing here !
 
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savedbymercy

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God is the First Cause of all Causes !



Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Some will object, that all things does not include sin, but that is a mistake because God created adam who was responsible for bringing sin into the World and adam was created for God's pleasure.

So we know that God is the First cause of sin and death entering into His World, His Creation, simply because, He is the First cause of the cause Adam, which therefore makes Him [God], the First cause of the effect that adam caused by his sin.

This is also concluded, if we understand, that if God so purposed it, He could have made adam in such a immutable state, that he could not have fallen or sinned ! Scripture says of God's Ability Rom 14:4

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Now to doubt that is to doubt also that God by His same ability, will make it so that all men in the New Heavens and New Earth will not be able to sin, they will not even have the capacity to sin.

With this understanding, it should be quite clear that God is the First and Primary Cause of sin and Death entering into the World, for a Redemptive Purpose centered in Christ Jesus ! Eph 3:9-11

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
 
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savedbymercy

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To Highly Exalt Christ !



For God did cause sin to enter into His World through Adam's transgression, because by it, God had purposed to Highly Exalt His Son for His obedience unto death in His defeat of sin by means of His Cross Phil 2:8-11

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Before God ever Created this World, He had purposed to Create it to the End that He would Highly Exalt His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ for His Victorious Death over sin on the Cross.

This World was made for a Redemptive Purpose centered in the person and Work of Jesus Christ, for all thinks were Created for Him Col 1:14-17

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
 
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savedbymercy

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God did cause sin to enter this world and His Creation, because before the World began, He purposed that by it, He would magnify His Law, and the Riches of His Wisdom and Grace through Jesus Christ !

Isa 42:21

The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Eph 2:7

That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.


Eph 3:8,10

Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
 
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Revmitchell

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savedbymercy said:
I have used much scripture to make my points, and you just make an emotional response. Please deal with all the points I have made in posts 1,20,71,73,76

Please outline each point, explain what I am saying to make my points and then if you can provide refutation with scripture, if you wanna debate, just making an emotional statement means nothing here !
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Your misuse of scripture and arrogance is not convincing.
 
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