Is God the Cause of sin and evil in the world ?

[The Biblicist]

To Preach the unsearchable riches of Christ !

Eph 3:8

8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,

That sin was purposed in the World by God is understood by the fact that God had designed before the world began or before it was an speck of dust, that the Apostle Paul would preach among the gentiles, the unsearchable riches of Christ [See 1 Cor 2:7] Eph 3:8,11

8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,

11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,

So adam's transgression was by the skillful design of God in Christ, for in all things He [Christ] must be given the preeminence; Now for those of us who teach and believe that the Eternal Purpose of Christ is a backup plan because things went awry with adam and he brought sin into the world, then we have it backwards, and we are giving adam's creation purpose preeminence over Christ, and God's Eternal Purpose in Him and over the unsearchable Riches of Him and His Grace that God Eternally Purposed !

Typical response! You can't respond to the objections and so you act like the parrot and just ignore the problems set before you and simply repeat your heretical nonsense.

In your confused little world "holiness" is inclusive of "sin" as you demand both are inseparable from the motives of God and therefore inseparable from his very nature as it is impossible to separate motive from nature. Your "god" does not exist in the Scriptures as the "God" in Scriptures possesses Holiness WITHOUT sin but your "god" does not.

 

[savedbymercy]

Typical response! You can't respond to the objections and so you act like the parrot and just ignore the problems set before you and simply repeat your heretical nonsense.

In your confused little world "holiness" is inclusive of "sin" as you demand both are inseparable from the motives of God and therefore inseparable from his very nature as it is impossible to separate motive from nature. Your "god" does not exist in the Scriptures as the "God" in Scriptures possesses Holiness WITHOUT sin but your "god" does not.

To Preach the unsearchable riches of Christ !

Eph 3:8

8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,

That sin was purposed in the World by God is understood by the fact that God had designed before the world began or before it was an speck of dust, that the Apostle Paul would preach among the gentiles, the unsearchable riches of Christ [See 1 Cor 2:7] Eph 3:8,11

8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,

11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,

So adam's transgression was by the skillful design of God in Christ, for in all things He [Christ] must be given the preeminence; Now for those of us who teach and believe that the Eternal Purpose of Christ is a backup plan because things went awry with adam and he brought sin into the world, then we have it backwards, and we are giving adam's creation purpose preeminence over Christ, and God's Eternal Purpose in Him and over the unsearchable Riches of Him and His Grace that God Eternally Purposed !

 

[The Biblicist]

To Preach the unsearchable riches of Christ !

Eph 3:8

8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,

That sin was purposed in the World by God is understood by the fact that God had designed before the world began or before it was an speck of dust, that the Apostle Paul would preach among the gentiles, the unsearchable riches of Christ [See 1 Cor 2:7] Eph 3:8,11

8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,

11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,

So adam's transgression was by the skillful design of God in Christ, for in all things He [Christ] must be given the preeminence; Now for those of us who teach and believe that the Eternal Purpose of Christ is a backup plan because things went awry with adam and he brought sin into the world, then we have it backwards, and we are giving adam's creation purpose preeminence over Christ, and God's Eternal Purpose in Him and over the unsearchable Riches of Him and His Grace that God Eternally Purposed !

Readers,

Here is exactly the response of those whose doctrine is false -they cannot respond so they just repeat their disproven theory over and over hoping to deflect the problem and hoping you the reader will forget it and just swallow their nonsense!

 

[plain_n_simple]

"Is God the Cause of sin and evil in the world ?"

Never. Satan came to kill steal and destroy.

Notice what God said when Jesus was born..

 

[savedbymercy]

"Is God the Cause of sin and evil in the world ?"

Never. Satan came to kill steal and destroy.

Notice what God said when Jesus was born..

You also fail to understand that this World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose centered in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ Eph 3:11

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

 

[savedbymercy]

Readers,

Here is exactly the response of those whose doctrine is false -they cannot respond so they just repeat their disproven theory over and over hoping to deflect the problem and hoping you the reader will forget it and just swallow their nonsense!

You need to prove to me from scripture that this world was not specifically created for a Redemptive Purpose centered in the person and Work of Jesus Christ, and prove from scripture that adam was not Created for that purpose. Paul says in Col 1:16

16 For by him[Christ] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him[Christ], and for him[Christ]:

 

[plain_n_simple]

You also fail to understand that this World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose centered in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ Eph 3:11

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

It was created with the intention that man would subdue the earth and fill it with Gods glory, then the fall came.

 

[The Biblicist]

You need to prove to me from scripture that this world was not specifically created for a Redemptive Purpose centered in the person and Work of Jesus Christ, and prove from scripture that adam was not Created for that purpose. Paul says in Col 1:16

16 For by him[Christ] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him[Christ], and for him[Christ]:

All things were created by God for his glory and that is all that text means and nothing more. It says NOTHING about how that will be acheived or how those things that do not glorify God originate or who authored them. It simply presents the aim for creating all things - His glory.

However, it is obvious that all things do not share that same goal and that sin does not glorify God unless you believe the answer to this next question is "yes"

SHALL WE SIN THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND?

Does sin glorify God? If so then lets get with the program and live like the Devil that grace may abound.

 

[savedbymercy]

It was created with the intention that man would subdue the earth and fill it with Gods glory, then the fall came.

You also fail to understand that this World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose centered in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ Eph 3:11

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Col 1:16

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Speaking of Christ, all things were created for Christ's Redemptive Purpose.

When God said it was all very good, He meant now all was in arrangement to bring about the redemptive Purpose of Christ ! Adam's sin was on its way !

 

[savedbymercy]

All things were created by God for his glory and that is all that text means and nothing more. It says NOTHING about how that will be acheived or how those things that do not glorify God originate or who authored them. It simply presents the aim for creating all things - His glory.

However, it is obvious that all things do not share that same goal and that sin does not glorify God unless you believe the answer to this next question is "yes"

SHALL WE SIN THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND?

Does sin glorify God? If so then lets get with the program and live like the Devil that grace may abound.

You need to prove to me from scripture that this world was not specifically created for a Redemptive Purpose centered in the person and Work of Jesus Christ, and prove from scripture that adam was not Created for that purpose. Paul says in Col 1:16

16 For by him[Christ] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him[Christ], and for him[Christ]:

 

[savedbymercy]

All things were created by God for his glory

Who best did that than this Person Jn 17:1-5

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

[DHK]

You also fail to understand that this World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose centered in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ Eph 3:11

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Are so arrogant as to claim to know the mind of God; what God purposed in eternity past? Were you there?

 

[savedbymercy]

Are so arrogant as to claim to know the mind of God; what God purposed in eternity past? Were you there?

The Bible Teaches what God's Eternal Purpose is Eph 3:9-11



9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

 

[The Biblicist]

You need to prove to me from scripture that this world was not specifically created for a Redemptive Purpose centered in the person and Work of Jesus Christ, and prove from scripture that adam was not Created for that purpose. Paul says in Col 1:16

16 For by him[Christ] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him[Christ], and for him[Christ]:

The text above does not say all things were created for "redemptive purposes"! You are INFERRING that when it does not say that.

However, I did provide scripture in Romans 6:1 which you simply ignored. So again I give my post for you to answer:

All things were created by God for his glory and that is all that text means and nothing more. It says NOTHING about how that will be acheived or how those things that do not glorify God originate or who authored them. It simply presents the aim for creating all things - His glory.

However, it is obvious that all things do not share that same goal and that sin does not glorify God unless you believe the answer to this next question is "yes"

SHALL WE SIN THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND?

Does sin glorify God? If so then lets get with the program and live like the Devil that grace may abound.

 

[DHK]

The Bible Teaches what God's Eternal Purpose is Eph 3:9-11



9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

All of God's eternal purposes are summarized right here???

I would not be that naive if I were you?
How can a finite mind understand an infinite God?
And yet that is what you are claiming to do.

God's thoughts are not your thoughts; why do you claim they are?
You do not know the words, the thoughts, the purposes of God before the foundation of the world, even as you do not know them all today. You are not God. If all the nations of the world are but a drop in a bucket then where does that leave you? What part of the drop are you? Who are you to compare yourself to God?

Isaiah 40:15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

All of God's eternal purposes are summarized right here???

You not making no sense. This World was made for an Redemptive Purpose, centered in Christ ! Eph 3:9-11


9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

 

[DHK]

dhk
You not making no sense. This World was made for an Redemptive Purpose, centered in Christ ! Eph 3:9-11

I make perfect sense. You try to fit your (what I call unbiblical) theology into these three verses, and then tell us that all of God's redemptive purposes are squeezed and confined right here into 3 verses--salvation to the elect only, the non-elect damned, God the author of sin, etc. It isn't here. And what you think about God isn't here. Your non-biblical ideas aren't here. Everything you think about God isn't here. Your ideas about "the redemptive purposes centered in Christ" are not here. You have opinions, but that is all.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

I make perfect sense

I am sure you do, to yourself !

This World was made for an Redemptive Purpose, centered in Christ ! Eph 3:9-11


9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

 

[DHK]

dhk



I am sure you do, to yourself !

This World was made for an Redemptive Purpose, centered in Christ ! Eph 3:9-11


9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

The eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord is (according to the Word), that all men might be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth; that God, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance; that Christ is the propitiation for the sins of ALL the world; that whosoever (of all that are in the world) shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

There is God's redemptive purpose as taught in the above verses.

 

[plain_n_simple]

Are you saying(savedbymercy) that God created man with the intention of man sinning, the whole world falling under a curse, millions of lives suffering and dying, some ending up in hell, all so His Son would have something to do?