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Mary was not infallible please show me where I have said she was.Originally posted by Eliyahu:
- Why was she separated from God (Jesus)?
- Why is she calling Joseph as the father of Jesus, while Jesus is saying: He has another Father.
So here I am supposed to trust your interpetation of Scripture rather than someone who was given his pastorial position by the apostle John?What was Mary trying to tell Jesus ?
Matthew 12:46-47
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Wasn't she trying to tell Jesus that He should stop preaching Gospel or avoid the bad reputation among the people ?
Why was she coming to tell Him instead of listening to Him ?
Why does it hurt believe these things? I'm not worshiping Mary nor do I believe she can do anything for me. I could take offense that you believe that communion is simply symbolic while I would have Scripture on my side but I do not. And that is more serious than if Mary is the Mother (spiritualy) of the Church.Originally posted by bapmom:
Then nate, why do you continue to argue for both of these positions?
Who was given the position by Apostle John ? I don't understand. Can we discuss only within the Bible ?Originally posted by nate:
So here I am supposed to trust your interpetation of Scripture rather than someone who was given his pastorial position by the apostle John? [/QB]
No the quotes were to show that many believe Mary to be the Mother of God not just the RCC.Originally posted by bapmom:
We keep talking about this idea that Mary is the Mother of the church, and you keep giving us quotes about Mary being Jesus' mother. Why are the two the same to you? They are not the same to me...they are vastly different. A woman is the mother of the child she bears, that is very different than her being the "spiritual" mother to any religious movement that child may start.
No they are actually Reformed. (See Westminster Confession of faith or the 39 Articles)Your comments about communion are also catholic, not baptistic. YOu have the right to hold to them of course, but you need to realize that it is a catholic point of view and not a baptistic one.
I thank you for your sincere concern. But I'm not listening to others anymore than IFBC people listen and follow after whatever their Pastor preaches.The reason I even continue in this vein with you is because I see you being sucked in by the things you are reading. Ive seen it other places, and because you are young you do not even realize that you are giving your mind over gradually to these things. I am not despising your youth.....don't get me wrong. But as an older believer I can tell you that you are allowing things to come into your mind and you are not putting up the necessary mental barriers to filter those things you are reading through the Bible.
What authority am I giving her? The title I'm presuming she has gives her no power or authority it is for all intents and purposes more show than practice.By claiming that Mary is the spiritual mother of the church you are giving her added authority and honor which is not due her. This is part of the path you are on.
To give her the honor she is due. Luke 1:28 "And he came to her and said, "Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!" RSVOriginally posted by bapmom:
than what is the purpose for the "show"?
How true you are. This is a false doctrine.Originally posted by BobRyan
The Bible NEVER records ANYthing like the resurrection and assumption of Mary!
Again you are correct. This false heresy was not even created until 1845 when the RCC announced it.Originally posted by BobRyan
The Bible NEVER states that Mary was born sinless OR That her mother had some kind of magic thing going on with the immaculate conception!
But the ecumenical council of 325 A.D. and the three creeds are backed up Scripture and denounced heresy. To claim that they will be a rule of practice for your church means nothing. Not one of them ever went against Scripture:Originally posted by BobRyan
There is no other way for error of that magnitude to creep into the church - than to abandon the Bible as the RULE and test of all dcotrine!
Mary sinned in her life I have no problem admitting that. But to claim if anyone calls her holy is wrong, when the Bible tells us we can be holy, is not heresy. Did she sin yes. Was she inerrant no.Originally posted by bapmom:
However, you have ignored these verses completely. Why will you not comment on that?
Mary sinned in her life I have no problem admitting that. But to claim if anyone calls her holy is wrong, when the Bible tells us we can be holy, is not heresy. Did she sin yes. Was she inerrant no. </font>[/QUOTE]Then Mary is not different from any Christian believer who were truly born again.Originally posted by nate:
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However, you have ignored these verses completely. Why will you not comment on that?