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Is predestination disturbing?
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TexasSky
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The requirement for membership in the "elect" is acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior.
The requirement to be part of the college I work for is that you have to be better than the average student in many areas including academics, standarized testing like the ACT or SAT, and community service.
The very most basic requirement though is
accepting our offer.
There are kids who applied, were accepted by US and offered a slot, but who never accepted our offers.
Well, the most basic requirement to be an "elect" of God is NOT to be born. It is to accept Christ as Lord and Savior.
The requirement to be part of the college I work for is that you have to be better than the average student in many areas including academics, standarized testing like the ACT or SAT, and community service.
The very most basic requirement though is
accepting our offer.
There are kids who applied, were accepted by US and offered a slot, but who never accepted our offers.
Well, the most basic requirement to be an "elect" of God is NOT to be born. It is to accept Christ as Lord and Savior.
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TexasSky
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Whatever,
So, what if you ignored the bible for a minute?
What if you just shrugged your shoulders and said, "Its all been determined. If God loves me he does, if he doesn't he doesn't. I'm not going to exert myself and reach out. He knows where to find me at the end of time."
Would it make a difference to God? Would you still be on the saved list?
So, what if you ignored the bible for a minute?
What if you just shrugged your shoulders and said, "Its all been determined. If God loves me he does, if he doesn't he doesn't. I'm not going to exert myself and reach out. He knows where to find me at the end of time."
Would it make a difference to God? Would you still be on the saved list?
Hello TexasSky.
But you miss the point. What has it to do with you if He treats people in that way. Romans 9:19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, `Why did you make me like this?' " 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
That is scripture dealing with your complaint but you are rejecting the question. You refuse to believe He is like that and scripture is denied.
God is Sovereign. You have the Sweet Jesus they pour down our necks as kids. He is the Rock. He is going to send people to Hell forever, He is just regardless of what we think and He can do whatever He pleases and still be just because He is the Law and if we don't like it tough.
The God of the fairy tale is the God I had in my mind before I came across Him. He dispelled all my imaginings and I am left in awe.
Jacob I loved Esau I hated.
Hello webdog.
If you do not accept the word 'hate' then scripture comes second to your opinion. You know what the word means otherwise you would accept it but you refuse to accept it. God hated Esau but Jacob He loved. I see no problem with that but you cannot accept the scripture.
john.
I don't think God is careless.
But you miss the point. What has it to do with you if He treats people in that way. Romans 9:19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, `Why did you make me like this?' " 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
That is scripture dealing with your complaint but you are rejecting the question. You refuse to believe He is like that and scripture is denied.
God is Sovereign. You have the Sweet Jesus they pour down our necks as kids. He is the Rock. He is going to send people to Hell forever, He is just regardless of what we think and He can do whatever He pleases and still be just because He is the Law and if we don't like it tough.
The God of the fairy tale is the God I had in my mind before I came across Him. He dispelled all my imaginings and I am left in awe.
Jacob I loved Esau I hated.
Hello webdog.
So what is the REAL meaning of "love"?
If you do not accept the word 'hate' then scripture comes second to your opinion. You know what the word means otherwise you would accept it but you refuse to accept it. God hated Esau but Jacob He loved. I see no problem with that but you cannot accept the scripture.
john.
Hello TexasSky.
Since Christ died for my sins then what can I get charged with? The punishment for my sin was taken by Jesus and it is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. GAL 5:1.
1 Cor 5:4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.
The punishment in this case was Heaven. He loves us with an everlasting love. The Song of Songs was not written to those He is going to burn that would be a shocking thing.
Romans 8:37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
We are free man because another took the rap.
1CO 10:23 "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is constructive. 24 Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.
We walk by the Spirit not the law.
The Lord be praised.
john.
Since Christ died for my sins then what can I get charged with? The punishment for my sin was taken by Jesus and it is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. GAL 5:1.
1 Cor 5:4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.
The punishment in this case was Heaven. He loves us with an everlasting love. The Song of Songs was not written to those He is going to burn that would be a shocking thing.
Romans 8:37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
We are free man because another took the rap.
1CO 10:23 "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is constructive. 24 Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.
We walk by the Spirit not the law.
The Lord be praised.john.
Bob Krajcik
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Just a suggestion. . .
You know, if you would stop making things up and instead deal with what others are actually saying, there might be some progress.
Mark 16:15 (KJV) And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Bob Krajcik
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Do you think you could honor the forum by showing Scripture to support this notion of yours?
Wes Outwest
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Predestination: Knowing where you're going before you leave to get there!
Bob Krajcik
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Amen. I agree with you on that, (and I agreed about that NIV thing also)
Jeremiah 29:11 (KJV) For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Jeremiah 29:11 (KJV) For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Bob Krajcik
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Isn't it amazing though, that God is given all the credit, yet some punny men insist they are the deciding factor. . .
Hello Bob.
That Jesus was the atoning sacrifice for the whole world? Wasn't for Eli's household was He? I thought you knew: Therefore, I swore to the house of Eli, `The guilt of Eli's house will never be atoned for by sacrifice or offering.' " 1 Sam 3:14.
john.
What couldn't?
That Jesus was the atoning sacrifice for the whole world? Wasn't for Eli's household was He? I thought you knew: Therefore, I swore to the house of Eli, `The guilt of Eli's house will never be atoned for by sacrifice or offering.' " 1 Sam 3:14.john.
Bob Krajcik
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Psalms 37:28 (KJV) For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
Wes Outwest
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Ask Grace! That is what saves you isn't it?Originally posted by johnp.:
How can you get there if you don't know where you are going?
john.
Wes Outwest
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You have it wrong Bob K, man is the not the deciding factor, man is the believing factor.
Wes Outwest
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It is limited atonement ONLY IF one believes that houses are what are atoned for, as you obviously do Johnp.Originally posted by johnp.:
By the way Bob Therefore, I swore to the house of Eli, `The guilt of Eli's house will never be atoned for by sacrifice or offering.' " 1 Sam 3:14.
That is limited atonement if I'm not mistaken. I'm not mistaken am I?
john.