is Roman catholism Regarded as a Cult/False Gospel/ Gospel + Works/True Gospel?

[JesusFan]

Where do we regard the Catholic "official doctrines/dogmas" as placing them?

is that Church seen as being essentially Gospel, with peculiar additions, or as being "outside pale of Orthodoxy?"

JUST referring to the officially held teachings/doctrines/dogmas of that Church , to see if it is to be considered teaching the true Gospel, or another False one?

 

[drfuss]

Goapel plus works. I think the RCC is the only large denomination with a theology that believes works are involved in attaining salvation. Not sure about the Seventh Day Adventist.

 

[glfredrick]

Goapel plus works. I think the RCC is the only large denomination with a theology that believes works are involved in attaining salvation. Not sure about the Seventh Day Adventist.

I would agree... That, and the very loosly defined Sacred Tradition that can never be codified or explained that gives a free ride to any dogma thought up by the current administration lead them astray from the faith once delivered to the saints, but not completely heretical. They still claim Christ.

 

[JesusFan]

I would agree... That, and the very loosly defined Sacred Tradition that can never be codified or explained that gives a free ride to any dogma thought up by the current administration lead them astray from the faith once delivered to the saints, but not completely heretical. They still claim Christ.

They might claim Christ, Bible, Gospel etc

But do they officially proclaim faith alone, grace alone?
If no, wouldn't that by definition be a Church teaching "another/false Gospel?"

 

[DHK]

They might claim Christ, Bible, Gospel etc

But do they officially proclaim faith alone, grace alone?
If no, wouldn't that by definition be a Church teaching "another/false Gospel?"

To them the doctrine of justification by "faith alone" is anathema.
Under the Council of Trent, (which still remains in effect) belief in such a doctrine is cursed. There is an absolute hatred for it among the RCC apologists and leadership.

 

[Alive in Christ]

I consider the Catholic cult to be in the same catagory as the Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormonism, Mary Baker Eddy, David Koresh, etc etc.

A full blown, false gosple propagating cult.

That doesnt mean that every single individual Catholic person is lost. Some may have attained saving faith somewhere along the way, and of course it is impossible for salvation to be lost after it is attained.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Because Im a Calvinist, I was called a cult also. That words thrown around allot.

 

[DHK]

Because Im a Calvinist, I was called a cult also. That words thrown around allot.

Don't Calvinists believe that one is saved by faith and not by their works?

 

[billwald]

For 1000 years the ecumenical creeds defined "Christian." Even today, in the main line Christian Churches, the ecumenical creeds define "Christian." By these international and historical standards, most Baptists are not "Christian."

 

[Alive in Christ]

For 1000 years the ecumenical creeds defined "Christian." Even today, in the main line Christian Churches, the ecumenical creeds define "Christian." By these international and historical standards, most Baptists are not "Christian."

Creeds are utterly unimportant these days. There was some merit in creeds back when copies of the scriptures for the normal christians didnt exist.

Now the scriptures are available. I'm not saying its *wrong* to hang a creed or 2 somewhere in a church building...but it isnt all that important. Creeds are basically obsolete.

 

[webdog]

A cult veiled as orthodox christianity. They have some of the players right but wrong game. Any religion that venerates and worships mortal humans falls in this category

 

[Zenas]

For 1000 years the ecumenical creeds defined "Christian." Even today, in the main line Christian Churches, the ecumenical creeds define "Christian." By these international and historical standards, most Baptists are not "Christian."

What creed would exclude Baptists as Christians?

 

[billwald]

No ecumenical creed would exclude Baptists if Baptists subscribed to the creed. But most Baptists I know make a big deal out of rejecting the creeds. They forget that "we have no creed" is a creed.

 

[WestminsterMan]

To them the doctrine of justification by "faith alone" is anathema.
Under the Council of Trent, (which still remains in effect) belief in such a doctrine is cursed. There is an absolute hatred for it among the RCC apologists and leadership.

They have an absolute hatred of sola fide just as you have an absolute hatred of the RCC doctrine of salvation. They believe SF is a false doctrine of men - you believe they preach another gospel. They believe they are correct and you believe you are correct. It goes back to the reformation and isn't likely to change. Hmmmm...

WM

 

[WestminsterMan]

A cult veiled as orthodox christianity. They have some of the players right but wrong game. Any religion that venerates and worships mortal humans falls in this category

Ask any knowledgable Catholic and he/she will tell you that veneration and worship are two different things. Veneration = honor; worship is reserved for God alone. Do you honor your father and mother?

WM

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Ask any knowledgable Catholic and he/she will tell you that veneration and worship are two different things. Veneration = honor; worship is reserved for God alone. Do you honor your father and mother?

WM

The problem is that the Catholics believe that just by changing the name of something, it changes the definition.

If it meets the definition of worship, then it's worship, no matter whether you call it worship, veneration, or "honor".

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Where do we regard the Catholic "official doctrines/dogmas" as placing them?

is that Church seen as being essentially Gospel, with peculiar additions, or as being "outside pale of Orthodoxy?"

JUST referring to the officially held teachings/doctrines/dogmas of that Church , to see if it is to be considered teaching the true Gospel, or another False one?

I consider it to be a cult, on the same level as the Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses.

 

[WestminsterMan]

The problem is that the Catholics believe that just by changing the name of something, it changes the definition.

If it meets the definition of worship, then it's worship, no matter whether you call it worship, veneration, or "honor".

I would like to point you back to the historical definitions and usages of the words "prayer" and "worship".

WM

 

[Matt Black]

Goapel plus works. I think the RCC is the only large denomination with a theology that believes works are involved in attaining salvation. Not sure about the Seventh Day Adventist.

Oi! What about the Orthodox?!

Anyway, it's more accurate to say they believe in faith + sacraments rather than faith + works

 

[Dr. Walter]

They have an absolute hatred of sola fide just as you have an absolute hatred of the RCC doctrine of salvation. They believe SF is a false doctrine of men - you believe they preach another gospel. They believe they are correct and you believe you are correct. It goes back to the reformation and isn't likely to change. Hmmmm...

WM

Christ reduces all religious ways down to two contrasting ways (Mt. 7:13-14) in regard to judgement day and all mankind (Mt. 7:21-23).

Paul reduces it down to two contrasting ways (Rom. 11:6; Eph. 2:8-10).

All religions in the world can be reduced down to fit one of these two in regard to their basic and essential teaching about salvation.

Baptists are at one end of this dual spectrum and Catholics are at the other end.