Is Satan A Real Entity Who Can Influence English Language Translators and Subtlety Impact Their Translations

[JD731]

The Modern versions such as Nas/ERsv/Nkjv all teach same doctrines as the Kjv though

Where is the evidence for that?

 

[JD731]

God would desire that His word woulf get out into the common language of the people for that time, correct?

The practices of the end times churches are inconsistent with what we are taught about the ways of God over previous centuries. The prophecies concerning the end times condition of the church given to us for the most part in the pastoral epistles are consistent with what we are observing today.

You can reject that as being true, but it is true anyways.

 

[JonC]

You are saying, no, Satan has not influenced translators and subtly impact their translations for the reasons you give above.

My question would then be, why would a perfectly omniscience and holy God see a need to have his words translated in the same language, over and over in the last days of his age division? It does not make sense.

Have you ever read the prayers of the apostle to the gentiles, Paul, for us in his epistles. I will start a thread later on about what God desires for us in the way of knowledge of his word. Satan has no doubt read them and is involved in confusing it with divisions.

My answer is because words are symbols. They are symbols that communicate thoughts and ideas. A translation is a text in a target language that chooses the symbols of a new language to communicate what the source language communicated. God's Word is, therefore, not the human symbols themselves but what thise symbols communicate.

If one understands that English bibles are translations, and what words are, then one will be able to discern that legitimate translations are communicating the exact same Word of God.

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Why several translations? Human limitations. Translation limitations. The command not to just read but study and devote oneself to God's Word.

We are better for having several English translations of Scripture. Satan is not in the business of making the Church better.


Now, I do see Satan active in movements like the King James Only movement, the LBGTQ Bible, etc. But not in communicating God's Word to people.

Satan did not, for example, give us the KJV. But Satan works in men who give him opportunity in such a way that men no longer grasp the concepts and make a translation an idol (they see the translated words but never God's Word). So Satan is not behind the KJV but he is behind the KJVO movement as the movement rather than the translation blinds men.

 

[JD731]

It is a subtle message the new denominations, the Methodists, Pentecostals, and Charismatics brought to us in the latter days of the church age. It was a works based approach to Christianity along with other confusing practices. These groups teach that one who has come to Christ for salvation must hold out faithful or they will lose it. Faith and works. This is not the gospel of Christ and it will not save anybody and we have the reaction of God in no uncertain terms.

Ga 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

A message of a mixture of grace plus works is not the true gospel but is another gospel and elicits the strongest condemnation of scriptures for preaching it.

Now we have enough new Bibles that no one says they believe are from God and they cause no one to tremble when they read passages like Galatians 1. I am going to say Satan had something to do with both movements that began in America in 1901..

I feel I always have to say this. I do not believe a person is unsaved because they are affiliated with these churches. Saved people can be deceived and many are. If a person has ever been saved by faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ they are saved eternally.

 

[JonC]

It is a subtle message the new denominations, the Methodists, Pentecostals, and Charismatics brought to us in the latter days of the church age. It was a works based approach to Christianity along with other confusing practices. These groups teach that one who has come to Christ for salvation must hold out faithful or they will lose it. Faith and works. This is not the gospel of Christ and it will not save anybody and we have the reaction of God in no uncertain terms.

Ga 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

A message of a mixture of grace plus works is not the true gospel but is another gospel and elicits the strongest condemnation of scriptures for preaching it.

Now we have enough new Bibles that no one says they believe are from God and they cause no one to tremble when they read passages like Galatians 1. I am going to say Satan had something to do with both movements that began in America in 1901..

I feel I always have to say this. I do not believe a person is unsaved because they are affiliated with these churches. Saved people can be deceived and many are. If a person has ever been saved by faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ they are saved eternally.

Theology does influence translations, I agree with that. But I disagree that theologies such as Wesleyan or Free-will theology changed God's Word (these theologies developed outside of modern translations and are actually supported by Scripture just as much as is Calvinistic interpretations).

My concern, with this topic, is more for those who have traded God's Word for an English translation of Scripture and ultimately make men and words into idols. I have o ly seen this with KJVO people, but I suppose it could happen more broadly as well.

I would still say that the King James Only movement is Satanic, but the King James translation itself is not. The readon are members of that cult cannot grasp God's Word because they are too focused on a translation of God's Word and ultimately condemn God's Word in other translations. I believe this confusion is brought by Satan but introduced by KJVO people leaning on a faulty understanding.

 

[Logos1560]

Saved people can be deceived and many are. If a person has ever been saved by faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ they are saved eternally.

KJV-only advocates can be deceived, and many of them are as they choose to believe claims for the KJV that are not true and since they may choose to believe misleading and non-true accusations against other English Bibles that are based on use of divers measures [double standards].


Several leading arguments for a KJV-only view depend upon use of fallacies [false arguments] which may deceive believers into accepting weak and incorrect arguments. Believers may be deceived into believing that modern KJV-only opinions and traditions of men are a doctrine of God when they are not. The inconsistencies in human KJV-only reasoning results in confusion.

 

[David Lamb]

Whether one produced the other is an argument for later but the greater point for me is that about this time a transition in Christian thought and practice was being made that resulted in two extremes that greatly compromised the church of Jesus Christ and weakened it. It was intellectualism on the one hand and emotionalism on the other. Both were Satanic led attacks, that God permitted, and that negatively impacted the Scriptural authority of God's word.

Transition, you ask? God, in his providence is bringing about his design for world history of the nations and the church. This is prophesied to be a renewal, a restitution of all things, a regeneration to his original intent before sin corrupted all things. This includes his creation and his creatures in spite of work arounds that are needed because of wicked and deceived angels and men. There will be no charge against God when this is all over because he has not over ruled the will of men and angels and has permitted all to choose. This is accomplished because I have read the last two chapters in the holy scriptures that tells me this.

The fact that God is providentially in control of his creation and can and does permit transitions throughout history for his own purposes can be demonstrated from the KJV in this passage.

2 Thess 2: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

If Paul told them he told us because his words have been preserved. The time table is God's and the Spirit hinders Satan and wicked men from accomplishing their purposes outside that time frame.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Thank you for y taking the trouble to reply. All I meant by my short post was that the Methodist Church cannot have been "birthed from the Keswick movement," because Methodism began in the mid-18th century, over a hundred years before the Keswick Movement started.