Is the GOSPEL a work of the Holy Spirit, or not?

[webdog]

WD....
if a child can understand it....why have you missed it.

I seem to get what James is saying...you are the one ripping it to pieces. Like I said, a child can understand the progression.

Your Post as stands refutes nothing..but in fact denies most of the Nt teaching on mans fallen condition.

I'm well aware of man's fallen condition. This is not the same thing as Augustinianism.

I think you are sincere..but sincerely mistaken.

Ditto

This is a great passage to explain the anatomy of sin...and where it leads to.

It explains what a sinner is and the consequence. Only someone so entrenched in Augustinianism could miss it.

Your mis-use of it does not negate how most of the believing church has understood these passages and the truth they do teach.

It's your perogative if you want to embrace Roman Catholic hamartiology...I'll pass.

You do need to come to a correct understanding of both passages or...you can just make up your own webdogisms.

What have I made up? I quoted Scripture word for word! If anything Augustine invented an extra-biblical doctrine you embrace.

 

[Iconoclast]

WD,

Did you read the sermon?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

From post #160


Since his answer is a response in relation to the Great Commission he must know who the reprobates are.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: I merely asked a question. Thanks, now I have to clean the coffee off the screen. ROFL!!!

BTW, you never answered the question.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You know, he's probably telling the truth

No, I'm lying...just pulling your leg for a laugh:laugh:

If you believe that you cannot believe, how can you believe?

Talk about pretzel logic (incredible)

 

[webdog]

WD,

Did you read the sermon?

No I didn't. Posting a sermon from a source that appears to agree with you does not prove nor disprove the passage in question and does nothing for a debate. We all can do that. Stick to the Scripture.

Also, since you didn't address my question on what I "made up", I'll just chalk it up to another lame attempt of yours at a personal attack.

 

[JesusFan]

Were Adam and Eve created with inherited depravity?

If not, how did they sin?

Does a person have to have inheritied depravity to sin?

Adam and Jesus ONLY men who EVER had "real free will" to sin or not, as Adam was created with a sinless nature by God, and jesus was both God and Sinless man...

Both Satan and Adam chose willfully to sin against God, in order to "play god"
Chose to do such as "Free moral Agents"

Both falls affected creation and man..

NO LONGER capable of making free moral decisions, as now born as sinners, who prove that by willfully sinning against God!

 

[JesusFan]

Why did you come to Christ?
I came to Christ because someone shared the gospel with me (I was 20, and it was the first time I heard it). It made sense to me. It was the first time I realized that Christ personally died for my sins. It was the first time that someone pointed out these truths to me from the Bible. I trusted Christ because of what I saw in the Word of God. I didn't need any existential experience, nor an ecstatic one either. My salvation was based on knowledge--the knowledge that Christ paid the penalty of my sins on the cross, and that if I trusted him as my Savior he would forgive my sins and grant unto me eternal life.
It wasn't me running to God. It was others running to me with the gospel in obedience to the Great Commission. Do you believe that we should be doing that?

when the Gospel "made sense to you" was when the Holy Spirit 'woke you up" in a spiritual sense to actually be able to hear and believe unto jesus and become saved...

Due the fact that you heard and believed in Jesus confirmed and proved that you were indeed one of the Elect of God!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

when the Gospel "made sense to you" was when the Holy Spirit 'woke you up" in a spiritual sense to actually be able to hear and believe unto Jesus and become saved...

Due the fact that you heard and believed in Jesus confirmed and proved that you were indeed one of the Elect of God!

Nice...:thumbs: Thank you HS:smilewinkgrin:

Of course you will be called delusional but if I were use, I'd go for the "Gnostic" title ..... thats pronounced wit a silent G.:laugh: Pretty Cool!

 

[webdog]

when the Gospel "made sense to you" was when the Holy Spirit 'woke you up" in a spiritual sense to actually be able to hear and believe unto jesus and become saved...

So you are claiming he passed from spiritual death to spiritual life at that moment, and before faith in Christ?

Due the fact that you heard and believed in Jesus confirmed and proved that you were indeed one of the Elect of God!

...or he is one of the "elect" (I believe this refers to jewish believers...not sure DHK is jewish) because he heard and believed.

 

[Skandelon]

I claim I am a child of God. Do you? You believe someone has to "know something" before he can be born. We assert that we are born of God by His will, not by what we know. You believe that as the image of God, all men, saved or not, possess a kind of "spark of the divine" that is able to come to the knowledge by which they can save themselves. (Though you yourself may not go that far, quantum, Scandal and webdog have.)

This has to be one of the most blatantly false and misrepresentative posts I've read on the BB. Aaron, you really ought to be ashamed of yourself. I know you cannot be so daft as to actually believe that any of us have ever said that we can "save ourselves." Thus, I'm left with no other option but to believe that you purposefully and maliciously misrepresent us because you either cannot or will not debate our actual views. That reveals all I need to know about you. :tear:

 

[DHK]

when the Gospel "made sense to you" was when the Holy Spirit 'woke you up" in a spiritual sense to actually be able to hear and believe unto jesus and become saved...

Due the fact that you heard and believed in Jesus confirmed and proved that you were indeed one of the Elect of God!

I knew zip about theology save the little I had learned through the Catholic Church--RCC doctrine. I was like the "believers" (except I wasn't a believer) that Paul found in Acts 19--"we have not heard that there be such a thing as the Holy Spirit." I knew about and believed the trinity. But as far as the work and actual person of the Holy Spirit I was ignorant. Thus your statement above to me would be nonsense if you had asked that just after I got saved. If I was unaware of it then what I would be aware of it now in retrospect. I don't eisigete my salvation experience. I don't expect you to read anything into it either.