Is this Trump's WORST NIGHTMARE

[Silverhair]

I doubt Trump wants Canada to be the 51st state. Reading comments from his administration, none of then believe he wants Canada. Reading Trump's own comments I doubt he does.

Trump says things to create a reaction. He barks loudly. Had you ever read Trump's own words about negotiation you would have known this.

His philosophy (he has repeatedly said and written) is to demand something outlandish to increase the chances of getting more than you expected.

An example would buying a car with a good purchase of $50,000 but priced $60,000. You give them a purchase price you know they will not (cannot) meet. You say "$30,000" and go up slowly. You end up paying $45,000. You "win".

Trump is all bark. This has served well in many (actually most) cases. It did not with Iran.


Only a Canadian would think Trump (or the US) wants Canada as the 51st state.

Yes I know that President Trump is all bark and no action. I have read his book.

His over the top comments and actions with Canada has had just the opposite effect from what he wanted I am sure. He continues to say the US needs nothing from Canada so we took him at his word. Why do a trade deal with someone that wants nothing from you? So we have turned to those that want what we have and are willing to pay for it.

What I hear from you is that we should expect Trump to be lying all the time. That is not something that I would be looking for in a trading partner.

You would be so lucky to have Canada join the US. But we have looked at your system and rejected it.

 

[JonC]

Yes I know that President Trump is all bark and no action. I have read his book.

His over the top comments and actions with Canada has had just the opposite effect from what he wanted I am sure. He continues to say the US needs nothing from Canada so we took him at his word. Why do a trade deal with someone that wants nothing from you? So we have turned to those that want what we have and are willing to pay for it.

What I hear from you is that we should expect Trump to be lying all the time. That is not something that I would be looking for in a trading partner.

You would be so lucky to have Canada join the US. But we have looked at your system and rejected it.

Well....President Trump is not all bark and no action. But the bark is worse than the bite.

All politicians lie. Biden lied. Bush lied. Trudeau lied. Harper lied. Carney lied. We are talking about eorldly powers (powers of "this dark age").

Why does the US want to partner with Canada, knowing that Canada lies? Because the US is no different and we are geographically linked.

Canada may prefer to align with governments alienated geographically from Canada and disinterested in its survival. But that speaks more to Canada's ideology and relationship to the UK.

American nations should be more interested in developing and maintaining partnerships with other American nations.


Canada will become even weaker should it choose to negate a US partnership and rely solely on an EU partnership. The EU (as it stands today) exists only because of ots partnership with the US.


My vote, if I voted, would be for the US withdraw all support to the EU and Canada. Both have been on lifesupport for decades. At some point one needs to pull the plug and let nature take its course. Then rebuild out of the ashes.


But animals, even beavers, tend to pose a greater danger as they are dying.

 

[Silverhair]

The problem with the EU (and Canada) is even combined they are not a formidable power. Economicly they are significant but collectively they are not capable of protecting themselves.

I think your words show the difference between Canada and the US.

Canada does not need to dominate the world it just has to be able to protect itself. We are now moving in that direction.

The US, Russia and China are all in decline on the world stage.

As I see it the EU's biggest problem is that they have internal fights but we see that they are moving toward a centralized economy and military.

They, as Canada, see the US as an unreliable partner that thinks might makes right and so are making changes.

 

[KenH]

Proud Canadian.

I don't normally post in this forum, but I just want to say that I like Canada, and I think your national anthem is beautiful, has a very nice melody, and is well worded, especially the ending:

"God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee."

Being a Dallas Stars fan since 1993, I hear it a lot when a Canadian team plays at Dallas or Dallas plays at a Canadian team.

Also, my favorite harness racing track is in Campbellville, Ontario - Woodbine Mohawk Park.

 

[Silverhair]

Why does the US want to partner with Canada, knowing that Canada lies? Because the US is no different and we are geographically linked.

Canada may prefer to align with governments alienated geographically from Canada and disinterested in its survival. But that speaks more to Canada's ideology and relationship to the UK.

American nations should be more interested in developing and maintaining partnerships with other American nations.

I agree that all governments lie but we have seen that the US does not even adhere to the law. They invade other countries on a whim.

We have CUSMA and it has been good for all three countries but now Trum* has blown it up. How is that working out for you with the 50% tariffs?

Trum* thinks others have to loose so that he can win.

Canada will become even weaker should it choose to negate a US partnership and rely solely on an EU partnership. The EU (as it stands today) exists only because of ots partnership with the US.

Canada has said it will continue to trade with the US but it will also trade more with other nations. Trum* says the US does not need Canada or other nations but the reality is quite different. The other nations know this so just carry on and wait for the US to come around and start being realistic.

My vote, if I voted, would be for the US withdraw all support to the EU and Canada. Both have been on lifesupport for decades. At some point one needs to pull the plug and let nature take its course. Then rebuild out of the ashes.

What do you mean by support for Canada? Do you mean not buy from Canada what the US needs to exist as a modern nation?

I do not understand why you would want the US to burn to the ground but you do live there so I would have to guess that you see the internal rot that I do not see.

But animals, even beavers, tend to pose a greater danger as they are dying.

And we pose a greater danger when we are thriving.

 

[JonC]

I think your words show the difference between Canada and the US.

Canada does not need to dominate the world it just has to be able to protect itself. We are now moving in that direction.

The US, Russia and China are all in decline on the world stage.

As I see it the EU's biggest problem is that they have internal fights but we see that they are moving toward a centralized economy and military.

They, as Canada, see the US as an unreliable partner that thinks might makes right and so are making changes.

Canada does not need to be a dominant power to protect itself because of its partnership with the US. Same with the EU.

My comment was excluding Canada's dependency on the US.

The US and Canada would both survive without each other, but the pain would be different.

The US would suffer supply issues, specifically a price increase on food and (to a lesser extent) energy. This would cause the economy to suffer until other paths of supply were developed or increased. The major issue would be the lack of defense (northern defense) and shifting resources to cover our northern border.

Canada would suffer the same economic issues, but magnified. While the US can absorb much of the supply issues due to population related to Canadian supplies, Canada could not (California alone has the population of Canada).

The larger problem would be - as you point out- Canada's reliance on the US for defense. Canada is unable to defend itself. The EU lacks the capability to defend itself against a major military threat, much less defend Canada. Given its proximity to the US and its natural resources, in time Canada would belong to another superpower (even if not in name).


I know many in Canada see the US as unreliable. Many in the US view Canada as unreliable and opportunistic. Both are idealistic nationalists that do not hold a firm grasp on reality (they are "sheeple").

 

[Silverhair]

I don't normally post in this forum, but I just want to say that I like Canada, and I think your national anthem is beautiful, has a very nice melody, and is well worded, especially the ending:

"God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee."

Being a Dallas Stars fan since 1993, I hear it a lot when a Canadian team plays at Dallas or Dallas plays at a Canadian team.

Also, my favorite harness racing track is in Campbellville, Ontario - Woodbine Mohawk Park.

I actually do like the US and they have much to be proud of.

In sports it is the intense rivalry that has made us both better.

 

[KenH]

In sports it is the intense rivalry that has made us both better.

The Four Nations hockey tournament a couple of seasons back was wild.

 

[Silverhair]

Canada does not need to be a dominant power to protect itself because of its partnership with the US. Same with the EU.

And there in lays the problem. The US is loosing it's power and because of that the EU and Canada are stepping up to defend themselves. This is something that I have said we should have been doing for a long time. But better late than never.

The US and Canada would both survive without each other, but the pain would be different.

Yes it would but we would survive and grow stronger because of it.

The larger problem would be - as you point out- Canada's reliance on the US for defense. Canada is unable to defend itself.

And that is why we are making the moves we are.

I know many in Canada see the US as unreliable. Many in the US view Canada as unreliable and opportunistic. Both are idealistic nationalists that do not hold a firm grasp on reality (they are "sheeple").

We in Canada see the US as unreliable and opportunistic. It is not Canada that has disregarded trade deals.

You may have sheeple in the US up here we are more realistic in our outlook.

 

[KenH]

The larger problem would be - as you point out- Canada's reliance on the US for defense.

I agree with U.S. Secretary of State John Quincy Adams, who stated on July 4, 1821, in a speech before the U.S. House of Representatives:

"Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence, has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign Independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. The frontlet upon her brow would no longer beam with the ineffable splendor of Freedom and Independence; but in its stead would soon be substituted an Imperial Diadem, flashing in false and tarnished lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit."

Just as Patrick Henry and the other Antifederalists have been proven correct about what would happen in time under the new Constitution that replaced the Articles of Confederation of 1781, Secretary Adams has been proven correct about what would happen in time if the United States became engaged in foreign military adventurism and interventionism.

 

[Silverhair]

I agree with U.S. Secretary of State John Quincy Adams, who stated on July 4, 1821, in a speech before the U.S. House of Representatives:

"Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence, has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign Independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. The frontlet upon her brow would no longer beam with the ineffable splendor of Freedom and Independence; but in its stead would soon be substituted an Imperial Diadem, flashing in false and tarnished lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit."

Just as Patrick Henry and the other Antifederalists have been proven correct about what would happen in time under the new Constitution that replaced the Articles of Confederation of 1781, Secretary Adams has been proven correct about what would happen in time if the United States became engaged in foreign military adventurism and interventionism.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[Silverhair]

Cooler heads will prevail, Canada and the US will back away from the edge of the precipice.

We will come to an agreement again whether this year or in three as it is best for both countries.

 

[JonC]

And there in lays the problem. The US is loosing it's power and because of that the EU and Canada are stepping up to defend themselves. This is something that I have said we should have been doing for a long time. But better late than never.


Yes it would but we would survive and grow stronger because of it.


And that is why we are making the moves we are.



We in Canada see the US as unreliable and opportunistic. It is not Canada that has disregarded trade deals.

You may have sheeple in the US up here we are more realistic in our outlook.

The US is not loosing its power. Its power lies in its political volatility. The US may give away its power.

Canada and the EU are not significant. Both are dying powers trying to stay alive. The US is as well, to a lesser degree and depending on how one defines a nation.

I have seen too many Canadians who came to the US (and US citizens who went to Canada only to return disillusioned) to believe you.

Canada did not degrade trade deals because it was not in their intrest (both nations benefit from trade deals, but Canada benefits more than the US).

The thing to rember (that the US forgets) is Canada is tiny. It needs to benefit more from any trade agreement in order to sustain its economy. I do not see that as lopsided, but a necessity.

 

[Silverhair]

The US is not loosing its power. Its power lies in its political volatility. The US may give away its power.

Canada and the EU are not significant. Both are dying powers trying to stay alive. The US is as well, to a lesser degree and depending on how one defines a nation.

I have seen too many Canadians who came to the US (and US citizens who went to Canada only to return disillusioned) to believe you.

Canada did not degrade trade deals because it was not in their intrest (both nations benefit from trade deals, but Canada benefits more than the US).

The thing to rember (that the US forgets) is Canada is tiny. It needs to benefit more from any trade agreement in order to sustain its economy. I do not see that as lopsided, but a necessity.

Jon what I see in your comments is the desperate cries of someone that has seen the truth but does not want to accept it.

I have seen many Canadians who have gone to the US only to return after finding it was not the great prize they were lead too believe it was.

If the US wants to send us their money I have no problem with that or they can always trade with other nations and pay a higher price for materials. Where the US errors is in when their think they can tell us who we can trade with.

But as to your Canada benefits more, well that is still up for discussion.

We are smaller than the US in population but we are much bigger in natural resources.

As they say Jon, the bigger they are the harder they fall.

Like the school yard bully the US is just not used to the fact that people/countries eventually realize that they should just be ignored.

Jon it would seem that it is the US that is the dying power trying to stay alive.

Canada is ready to deal FAIRLY at any time the administration is honestly looking to trade.

 

[JonC]

You have to look at it this way...the EU (all countries combined) has more people than the US (about 100 million more).

Jon what I see in your comments is the desperate cries of someone that has seen the truth but does not want to accept it.

I have seen many Canadians who have gone to the US only to return after finding it was not the great prize they were lead too believe it was.

If the US wants to send us their money I have no problem with that or they can always trade with other nations and pay a higher price for materials. Where the US errors is in when their think they can tell us who we can trade with.

But as to your Canada benefits more, well that is still up for discussion.

We are smaller than the US in population but we are much bigger in natural resources.

As they say Jon, the bigger they are the harder they fall.

Like the school yard bully the US is just not used to the fact that people/countries eventually realize that they should just be ignored.

Jon it would seem that it is the US that is the dying power trying to stay alive.

Canada is ready to deal FAIRLY at any time the administration is honestly looking to trade.

No, I see the truth and acceot it.

I see problems in both governments. My trust is in neither.

With the US a plus is policies change constantly. Term limits make this true. This can be a negative in the ling run, but it is better than the alternative.

Those I know in Canada complain about taxes, healthcare, opportunities, home ownership, etc. So do we, but sometimes for different reasons.

From what I have seen Canada's Healthcare is similar to Germany. It works when you are young but not so much when you are old.

I have friends who are Canadian but live in the US (their children have dual-citizenship). The reason they give is the Canadian government, high taxes, and home ownership (if what they have told me is true you have an awful mortgage system). My Canadian friends are also small business owners and opportunity was also a concern.


Where is one better off, Canada or the US? It depends on the individual, their goals and situation.


Is it true that you guys have made refusing to use another's pronouns (calling a man "she", for example) a crime?

 

[Silverhair]

From what I have seen Canada's Healthcare is similar to Germany. It works when you are young but not so much when you are old.

Well no one would call me young and I have not run into any problem with the health care system. Actually none of the people I know have had any problems but then again I live in Alberta so it could be different in other provinces.

Where is one better off, Canada or the US? It depends on the individual, their goals and situation.

It does depend on what you want out of life.

It seems that many people want the good life but are not willing to put in the work to achieve that goal.

Is it true that you guys have made refusing to use another's pronouns (calling a man "she", for example) a crime?

Have not come across that one. We have the right to free speech here in Canada

Freedom of expression in Canada is protected as a fundamental freedom under Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but it is not absolute; the government can impose reasonable limits on this right, such as laws against hate speech and defamation.

I would assume that you have the same rights in the US and the same restrictions.

 

[KenH]

Jon it would seem that it is the US that is the dying power trying to stay alive.

Every previous empire in the history of the world has come to an end. I see no reason for the United States to be any different.

 

[JonC]

Well no one would call me young and I have not run into any problem with the health care system. Actually none of the people I know have had any problems but then again I live in Alberta so it could be different in other provinces.

I know several who have not been able to get the care they needed. And several who had to wait months for treatment.

I also heard from then that the medical facilities were overcrowded and they used ward rooms (like in the 1950's here...three or four people to a room).

But a couple of these had additional insurance as well (I do not know the ins snd outs of Canada's healthcare).

Access, though, would be the concern as our hospital environment, while it speaks to privacy, does not necessarily speak to care.

When we lived in Germany my wife was admitted to the hospital. When I visited I noticed patients being evaluated in the hallway. And she shated a room with three other patients at a time she needed more privacy. So that is whay comes to mind.

I know a few US citizens who went to Canada for childbirth. They were not impressed with the facilities but they recieved the care they need on Canada's dime.

 

[JonC]

Every previous empire in the history of the world has come to an end. I see no reason for the United States to be any different.

Empires come to an end, typically becoming something else. Empires are fixed governing systems. But this does not apply to the US. The US is not an empire.

The US has met several ends, and continues to do so. In a way this us why the US can survive. In another way, this is why the US will probably always die and rise from the ashes. The US I grew up in is not the nation of our grandparents. Today's US is not the US I grew up in. The government is not the same. The economy is not the same. Its values are not the same. The citizens are not the same. Only the name is the same.

 

[searchingtruths]

DJT wants Canada to be the 51st state but gets upset when we say no thanks we would rather work with the EU.

One of them

I think his *worst nightmare* would be eliminating two-term election and former President Barack Obama who runs again And Wins