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[tinytim]

Received this in email Thursday. The Repentance Blacklist website.

I told Sanderson to add my name to the list. The Word of God tells us "...Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Repentance is necessary according to Peter's declaration on the day of Pentacost.

To be on Spamderson's blacklist is an honor!!! I am with you here SFIC!!!

I saw it the other day, and started to do the same as you... but didn't...

Another blacklist that is equal to that ... snipped my self, because I know it would be snipped anyway..., is one that Fred Phelps would have...

To be on Sanderson's Blacklist is a reward!!!

 

[Brother Bob]

I don't understand at all why so many are so afraid to say they quit being mean because they just plain got tired of living that way and started going to church and tried to live a good life before they actually were saved. Guess what, I DID!! So many are afraid someone will say, that is a works salvation. Well it was not a works salvation for I wasn't saved until Jesus saved me, but that doesn't mean that I didn't try to get saved or live a better life, for I did, before I was saved. Now call it works all you want, but thats "real" life.

Telling everyone you can't do nothing, you can't quit being mean, you can't quit stealing is "hogwash" and will send many a person down to hell. You need to tell men and women to live as clean a life as they can, and you will be doing God's work. He will do the saving, leave it up to Him, but don't teach people to live in sin.

BBob,

 

[mcdirector]

To be on Spamderson's blacklist is an honor!!! I am with you here SFIC!!!

I saw it the other day, and started to do the same as you... but didn't...

Another blacklist that is equal to that ... snipped my self, because I know it would be snipped anyway..., is one that Fred Phelps would have...

To be on Sanderson's Blacklist is a reward!!!

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:thumbs:

 

[carrierwave~]

The Psalmist wrote "a broken and contrite heart thou wilt not despise.' This must mean that the heart that is not broken, the heart that is not contrite, God will despise.

The heart that is broken is a heart that is repentant of sin, not one that hides his sin.

Proverbs 28:13He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.


A clear verse demanding repentance of sin if one wants mercy.

As I pointed out previously, the psalmist wrote that if one hides iniquity in ones heart, the LORD will not hear that one.

You can continue to believe what is on the blacklist site if you want, but the Word of God shows that one must have some repentance.

Standing firm,

God tells his children to depart from iniquity, please read it! (2Timothy 2:19). If an unsaved person confesses and forsakes his sin he will still go to hell, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God. Where is Christ here? As I have shown through many many scriptures before, salvation cannot include your works of "turning from sins". Thousands of people on New Years eve confess their sins and make resolutions not to do them anymore, yet ususally end up falling back to old bad habits. Again, your false definition of repentance in regard to salvation is not correct. It is not of works lest any man should boast. You can't add oil to water and mix them. (Romans 11:6)

This Proverb is clearly being addressed those who already have salvation. Prospering as a Christian involves daily confession of sin for continued FELLOWSHIP with Jesus our Savior. Confessing and forsaking sin will have no eternal benefit for the unsaved. You cannot deny the Bible pattern. True change happens only AFTER one is saved. (Romans 8:9) NOT BEFORE. The Psalms are the BELIEVER'S song book!

Carrierwave~

 

[Brother Bob]

carrierwave~ If an unsaved person confesses and forsakes his sin he will still go to hell, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This is just plain wrong. How can one confess, if he doesn't believe in Him he is confessing to"?????

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Standing firm,

God tells his children to depart from iniquity, please read it! (2Timothy 2:19). If an unsaved person confesses and forsakes his sin he will still go to hell, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God. Where is Christ here? As I have shown through many many scriptures before, salvation cannot include your works of "turning from sins". Thousands of people on New Years eve confess their sins and make resolutions not to do them anymore, yet ususally end up falling back to old bad habits. Again, your false definition of repentance in regard to salvation is not correct. It is not of works lest any man should boast. You can't add oil to water and mix them. (Romans 11:6)

This Proverb is clearly being addressed those who already have salvation. Prospering as a Christian involves daily confession of sin for continued FELLOWSHIP with Jesus our Savior. Confessing and forsaking sin will have no eternal benefit for the unsaved. You cannot deny the Bible pattern. True change happens only AFTER one is saved. (Romans 8:9) NOT BEFORE. The Psalms are the BELIEVER'S song book!

Carrierwave~

If I regard iniquity in mine heart, the Lord will not hear me. You do know what iniquity is, do you not? You do know what will not hear is, do you not?

In the story of the tax collector and the pharisee, you do know who it was that was heard and his prayers honored by the Lord, do you not? It was the tax collector. Why?? because he was repentant. The Pharisee was not repentant of his pride. He thought he could please the Lord with all that he did and yet never turned from having a prideful heart.

Repentance is required. Repentance is not a false doctrine as you so unjustly accuse us of. Jesus Himself told us repentance is necessary or we will perishin our sins.

 

[carrierwave~]

Seems to me the Gospels may be cut out of your Bible. The young man first asked what must he do to have eternal life? Jesus began to tell him. I mean it was the Savior Himself, telling what it took to receive eternal life. You can't give eternal life, but Jesus can and was telling the young man what he needed to do. I will take the word of the Lord over man any day of the week. Don't you accept what Jesus taught??? You can't just take the scripture "believe" and thats it. You have to take all the scripture and believing entails repentance and its impossible to repent while killing someone.

Repentance is turning from sin, that means quit committing adultery, lying, stealing, killing, get it? Remember the young harlot they were going to stone. Jesus said, "go and sin no more". In other words do not commit adultery anymore.

Luk 13:3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (if you don't turn from it, you will perish)



I find it so hard to believe that so many spend so much time telling everyone how much sin he can keep doing and be saved, instead of telling him the truth and that is to lay down the things of the world, "cease to do evil and learn to do good". That is the story you should be telling men and women. Quit your meanness, serve the Lord. Tell you what, if you love the Lord, you will quit your meanness.

Is it "works" to keep your pants up or for once, not steal from your neighbor or covet his wife. People shove this "no works" thing way too far. It does not match up with the teachings of Jesus. You claim if you move your thumb, its works. We need to tell people to live a "good" life and not lie, steal, kill, covet your neighbors wife or worship a "cow".

Sir, show me where I ever once said to do sin because you are saved. I have quoted verses that the saved are to depart from iniquity--unless you only want to read what fits your mind frame.

The harlot was forgiven by Jesus--"Neither do I condemn thee: go and sin no more." Notice, only after she was forgiven was she then commanded to do this sin no more. Where does it say she "turned" from her sin to get that forgiveness? She was clearly forgiven first, then commanded to obey. The Bible pattern is the same --salvation first; then your life takes on changes. Show me the Greek word for "repent" METANOEO where it's definition means to "turn from sins". It does not exist, Sir.

"Therefore, if any man be in Christ he is a new creature, old things are passed away: behold all things are become new" (2 Corinthians
5:17)

Carrierwave~

 

[Alcott]

"...Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Repentance is necessary according to Peter's declaration on the day of Pentacost.

If repentance is necessary, so is being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Were you baptized in that name, or in the "the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?"

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Actually, I was baptized in the name of Jesus some 20+ years ago when I got out of prison. I was taken to Kettle Run in Bradley Forest, Va and dunked in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Alcott]

Do you think anyone not baptized in the name of Jesus-- but rather "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"-- is not saved?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

That is not for me to say. I notice in Christ's command, He did not say 'names of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,' but He said 'name'.

When one Baptizes in the 'name' (singular), is it the same as Baptizing in the name of Jesus as Peter so clearly commanded in more than one occasion in the Acts of the Apostles?

Something to think about... Did not Jesus tell one Disciple that He and His Father are one? And again, John said 'three bear record in Heaven... and these three are one.'

What is the 'name' referring to in Matthew 28? One? Three? Three in One?

an added note...

it is not the baptism that saves... baptism is an act of obedience; an outward confession of dying to self and living to Christ. Baptism should follow Salvation, if at all possible.

 

[carrierwave~]

I don't understand at all why so many are so afraid to say they quit being mean because they just plain got tired of living that way and started going to church and tried to live a good life before they actually were saved. Guess what, I DID!! So many are afraid someone will say, that is a works salvation. Well it was not a works salvation for I wasn't saved until Jesus saved me, but that doesn't mean that I didn't try to get saved or live a better life, for I did, before I was saved. Now call it works all you want, but thats "real" life.

Telling everyone you can't do nothing, you can't quit being mean, you can't quit stealing is "hogwash" and will send many a person down to hell. You need to tell men and women to live as clean a life as they can, and you will be doing God's work. He will do the saving, leave it up to Him, but don't teach people to live in sin.

BBob,

Sir, show me one post where I said to "live in sin".

Grace is not grace until Christ does all the saving.

It is our fallen nature that trys to insert works into God's free gift.

Carrierwave~

 

[Alcott]

That is not for me to say.

There's a lot of things that ain't for you to say that you attempt to say.

it is not the baptism that saves... baptism is an act of obedience; an outward confession of dying to self and living to Christ.

But since repentance is one of 2 commands in the verse you cite, and you it is necessary, why is the other command not necessary?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Some cannot be baptized. For instance, one on his deathbed cannot get up out of bed and get baptized. Nor can the quadraplegic that attends our church services.

But one who is able, should be baptized. When Peter preached 'Repent and be baptized every one of you for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost,' he was not saying they had to be baptized in order to be saved, but that they should be baptized because they were saved.

There is some repentance one needs to feel prior to Salvation. One needs to realize one is lost before one can accept direction to the way. One who does not realize he is lost will not hear that he is lost; he will not accept it.

If one is not sorry for one's sins, one will not confess one's need for a sin-destroying Savior. When one is truly repentant of one's sins, one is sorry for the sins and one cries out to God for forgiveness and Salvation. If he is not repentant of his sins, truly sorry that he is a sinner, his cries for Salvation will not be honored.

Man must not be taught that He can serve Christ and Belial, because he cannot.

 

[Alcott]

I don't see consistency in your posts, in particular from your OP to this last one. You quoted Acts 2:38 and say this shows "repentance is necessary." But the verse commands baptism as much as it commands repentance. And the chronology of structure is the same, too; or to put it directly, you say one must 'feel' repentance to have salvation, but not baptism. "Feeling," of course, is not mentioned at all, even though it's something many (probably most) Christians want emphasize in salvation, and the reason so many come to be baptized again, even though were beleivers, they say they don't feel like they are really saved... another topic, I suppose.

But back to the case in point... if 2 commands are given followed by "AND you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit," that one must be accomplished to experience the desired result, and other need not be so accomplished, is clearly an inconsistency.

I might argue further about being baptized "in the name of Jesus Christ," or "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," but it seems we agree on that. Let the pentecostals claim all they want that one is not saved unless it is in the name of Jesus [only]. Incidentally, the 'Churches of Christ' also have an inconsistency about this verse-- they claim it proves one must be baptized to be saved, but they ignore "in the name of Jesus Christ" and go with F, S, and HS.

 

[carrierwave~]

If I regard iniquity in mine heart, the Lord will not hear me. You do know what iniquity is, do you not? You do know what will not hear is, do you not?

In the story of the tax collector and the pharisee, you do know who it was that was heard and his prayers honored by the Lord, do you not? It was the tax collector. Why?? because he was repentant. The Pharisee was not repentant of his pride. He thought he could please the Lord with all that he did and yet never turned from having a prideful heart.

Repentance is required. Repentance is not a false doctrine as you so unjustly accuse us of. Jesus Himself told us repentance is necessary or we will perishin our sins.

Standing firm,

It is important to note that the publican confessed he was a sinner. He also asked for mercy. Titus 3:5 tells us: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He saved us; by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost."

It is clear that the publican did not come to God with any good works, because he asked for mercy. This is true salvation repentance. He came with nothing but his sin, asked for mercy, and left with full justification! He gave up any attempts to save himself and asked only for mercy! He didn't bargain with God by offering to stop sinning, or be willing to turn from his sin-- he asked for mercy.

According to Titus 3:5, mercy is the opposite of works of righteousness. This means the Publican did not stop doing anything to get Justification. He did however, reject any kind of method to earn it on his own by "turning from his sins". The word "justified" used by the Lord Jesus here is the same Greek word used of Abraham in Romans 4:5! It means "to be declared innocent". NOT GUILTY. How was Abraham made not guilty? By faith, without any works Romans 4:6.

Bottom line to all of this is that salvation repentance ("change your mind") involves what you are trusting in. This has been said many times before; There are really only two religions in the world. DO or DONE. DO, is what the Pharisee was trusting in--his good works. DONE, is what the Publican trusted in.

God saved the Publican without works (justified) because salvation is a free gift and he asked for mercy. The Pharisee went back still in his sins, trusting what he was doing to be saved. He had "turned" from all the bad things that others do. He went to hell unless he "changed his mind" and trusted God's mercy to save him. How about you?

Carrierwave~

 

[standingfirminChrist]

The tax collector would not have cried that he was a sinner had he not felt repentance for sins.

You try to complicate a simple truth.

A repentant heart is a broken heart. God will despise a heart that is not repentant.

 

[carrierwave~]

The tax collector would not have cried that he was a sinner had he not felt repentance for sins.

You try to complicate a simple truth.

A repentant heart is a broken heart. God will despise a heart that is not repentant.

But sir, I have used scripture. Repent means to change the mind. He changed his mind that he was a sinner. The Pharisee did not change his mind. The Publicans sorrow, for sin is not repentance. However, sorrow could prompt you to change your mind. (repent).

Carrierwave~

 

[standingfirminChrist]

The tax collector's sorrow was a result of repentance. His Salvation was a result of crying out to God for mercy.

 

[shaneg]

They must be deleting quite a few versus from there bible. Lets see like maybe "Faith without deeds is dead"

There has to be fruit otherwise we cannot have come to a true and saving Faith. Therefore we repent and turn fom our sin.
Seems fairly simple to me :thumbs: