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[Brother Bob]

Now do a little word association--insert the correct definition (change your minds) every place the word METANOEO appears and you will find it makes perfect sense. Again, METANOEO does not mean "turn from your sins" it means to "change your minds". Israel would not admit they were lost, they needed to "repent" change their minds and acknowledge their sinfulness, and ask for mercy by receiving Christ as their Messiah. This is repentance in salvation. It cannot mean to stop sinning! This is what "turn from your sins" literally must mean. No mortal human has or ever will be able to do this.

Carrierwave~

But that is not the correct definition, that is just what fits your theology.

metanoew metanoeo met-an-o-eh'-o
from 3326 and 3539; to think differently]/b] or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction):--repent. (Strong's)

compunction;
1 a: anxiety arising from awareness of guilt <compunctions of conscience> b: distress of mind over an anticipated action or result
.
Psa 38:18For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin.

 

[carrierwave~]

Thank you for that :thumbs:

This explains why people ask God for help, yet continue to sin. Tears are shed, lives ruined, and they still can't seem to stop. Christians often blame them for sinning, stating they want to sin. Yet if they wanted to sin, they wouldn't ask for help to do the latter! God's timeframe in working on the heart is not always ours.
At one point during or after repentance, we ought to make an effort to turn from sin. Something is wrong when no effort is made to do this.

I like that Joe. That makes much more sense.

Carrierwave~

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Joe
Thank you for that :thumbs:

This explains why people ask God for help, yet continue to sin. Tears are shed, lives ruined, and they still can't seem to stop. Christians often blame them for sinning, stating they want to sin. Yet if they wanted to sin, they wouldn't ask for help to do the latter! God's timeframe in working on the heart is not always ours.
At one point during or after repentance, we ought to make an effort to turn from sin. Something is wrong when no effort is made to do this.

I like that Joe. That makes much more sense.

Carrierwave~~

But the following is the truth.

2Th 2:12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jhn 3:19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

[Ed Edwards]

My bad 89ABC

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
This is where you and I disagree greatly. I believe a person has to cease to do evil and learn to do good, or they will be turned away, as John the Baptist turned them away.

BBob,
Bob...that's works.

JTB turned the Pharisees because the works come from the heart, and there was no change there..

So would I turn him away, if a man came to me and gave his hand and I smelled acohol, I would tell him to pray some more and come back when he was really right with the Lord. According to what is being said on here, it seems you fellows would not turn him away, so he could get right, but baptize a hypocrit.

BBob,

 

[Joe]

But the following is the truth.

2Th 2:12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jhn 3:19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Yes, you could be quite correct Brother Bob in what you are standing up for. I admire you for that.

It's certainly better to be safe than sorry

 

[carrierwave~]

But that is not the correct definition, that is just what fits your theology.

metanoew metanoeo met-an-o-eh'-o
from 3326 and 3539; to think differently]/b] or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction):--repent. (Strong's)

compunction;
1 a: anxiety arising from awareness of guilt <compunctions of conscience> b: distress of mind over an anticipated action or result
.
Psa 38:18For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin.

Strong's definition is pretty good, yet: "For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of."

Being sorry or having compuntion is NOT repentance. According to God's Word it "worketh" repentance to salvation. Strong is lumping sorrow with changing your mind and calling it repentance. God says it different.

My point is that many people can have distress and sorrow but never causes them to change anything. So where does distress mean to "turn from your sins"? I don't see your logic here.

Carrierwave~

 

[Brother Bob]

Yes, you could be quite correct Brother Bob in what you are standing up for. I admire you for that.

It's certainly better to be safe than sorry

I am not trying to put you down Bro. Joe.

 

[Joe]

I know that. You wouldn't do that.

I know your heart by reading your posts.

 

[Brother Bob]

Strong's definition is pretty good, yet: "For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of."

Being sorry or having compuntion is NOT repentance. According to God's Word it "worketh" repentance to salvation. Strong is lumping sorrow with changing your mind and calling it repentance. God says it different.

My point is that many people can have distress and sorrow but never causes them to change anything. So where does distress mean to "turn from your sins"? I don't see your logic here.

Carrierwave~

You are putting your own spin on it now. The scripture says in Greek, that Godly sorrow worketh metanoia,to salvation.

metanoia

3341
metanoia
metanoia
met-an'-oy-ah
from metanoew - metanoeo 3340; (subjectively) compunction (for guilt, including reformation); by implication, reversal (of (another's) decision):--repentance.

If you need the definition to compunction, I can give it again?

 

[webdog]

So would I turn him away, if a man came to me and gave his hand and I smelled acohol, I would tell him to pray some more and come back when he was really right with the Lord. According to what is being said on here, it seems you fellows would not turn him away, so he could get right, but baptize a hypocrit.

BBob,

Wow :tear:

 

[Joe]

So feeling sorry comes which brings about a decision to repent. I believe that is what it says.


I am uncomfortable with the feeling sorry because I don't believe it is necessary to feel sorry prior to making the decision to live a godly life. It helps, that's for sure. Yet everywhere else in the Bible we are not to trust our feelings, and they haven't lead me to the best places either.


If you live a Godly life, and don't feel sorrow, then does that not equal a genuine repentance or do you know of a bible verse offhand Brother Bob for this? Anyone?

 

[Joe]

Wow :tear:

I think he means he would ask the guy to come back because his senses are not right. Possibly not knowing if they guy could completely understand what was being said due to the alcohol consumption.

 

[webdog]

Just smelling alcohol on someone's breath does not mean their senses are dulled. I think I knew what he meant from discussing similar topics with him. We have no business playing God by sharing the Gospel with them when we deem appropriate.

 

[Brother Bob]

I think he means he would ask the guy to come back because his senses are not right. Possibly not knowing if they guy completely understood what was happening due to the alcohol consumption.

Correct, come back sober and saying you believe God has forgiven you of your sins, and you want a home with us. That you Love the Lord and have given Him your life.

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

Just smelling alcohol on someone's breath does not mean their senses are dulled. I think I knew what he meant from discussing similar topics with him. We have no business playing God by sharing the Gospel with them when we deem appropriate.

I been there done that, a drinking man will tell you anything. He will cry and sob and feel sorry for himself and when he sobers up, he says, what in the world made me do that. I think he dishonors the church in the first place, coming there drunk. I have been surprised on here before, but not anymore. I would not baptize a drunk, period.

BBob,

 

[webdog]

Like I said, though, just smelling alcohol on someone's breath does not mean they are drunk. Equating the two is taking their soul into our hands to deem when sharing the Gospel is appropriate. Scripture never tells us to take a physical inventory of the lost before sharing the Good News with them.

 

[Brother Bob]

Like I said, though, just smelling alcohol on someone's breath does not mean they are drunk. Equating the two is taking their soul into our hands to deem when sharing the Gospel is appropriate. Scripture never tells us to take a physical inventory of the lost before sharing the Good News with them

I take no one's soul into my hands. The Lord said "all souls are mine". I cannot save anyone, nor can I keep anyone from going to Heaven. If someone comes to my church drinking, I think he not only dishonors himself, he dishonors the church. This world may have gone off the deep end, but for those who serve the Lord, they are in their right minds, not a mind influence by acohol.

Eze 18:4Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

I repeat, I have not, will not baptize a person under the influence of acohol.

BBob,

 

[webdog]

I think we are talking past each other, Bob. I'm not talking about someone bringing a drink into your church...I'm talking about witnessing to someone who you smelled alcohol on. We are not to gauge who is acceptable to share the Gospel with...we are to...as NIKE ads say..."just do it".

 

[Joe]

True Webdog.

Alcohol on the breath doesn't = being drunk

I shared the gospel with a really drunk woman about 5 years ago, she was hanging out at the gas station. Then I gave her a ride home, she lived just a few miles away. Never knew what came of it, and never saw her again.