That is not an exaggeration, is it. That is a comparison. It is not the same as saying Babylon was as beautiful as Heaven
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Isaiah 14:12: Lucifer, Satan, Morning Star
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Maggots are spread out as your bed beneath you And worms are your covering.’[Isaiah 14:11b]
No matter how hard you try to make you eisgesis fit into the text, this is not about a pre-fallen Satan, but about a Babylonian King’s body becoming worm-food.
The passage is not an exaggeration, but your eisegesis is.
following you thoughts, why is a human king dying and being in a grave exceptional? Why is that a threat?
What human is called "son of morning" none
What Human King of Babylon do you believe it was about?
It was all prophesy , yet to be fufliied
Isa 17:7
The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
I think you're on to something with that. Understanding both Akkadian cosmology and Assyrian royal pronouncements (especially threats made by the Assyrian kings in the course of conquest) explains much of the language, IMO, and the theme of much of Isaiah is, in fact, a prophecy that Assyria will be brought low because it has dared to challenge the universal sovereignty of the Hebrew god.
The reference to the king of Babylon, BTW, is probably better understood as king of Assyria, a title that the Assyrian kings adopted after conquering Babylon. The king referred to in Isaiah 14 could well be Sargon II, whose body was left on the field of battle (All the kings of the nations lie in glory, each in his own tomb; but you are cast out, away from your grave, like a loathed branch, clothed with the slain, those pierced by the sword, who go down to the stones of the pit, like a dead body trampled underfoot.)
This King had subdued much of the inhabited earth. He was a feared man by many. So the demise of this King was something to behold.
A future event, from the time of writing, which king?
In a way, Satan was king of Tyre & Babylon, as, after Nebuchadnezzar II, Satan's homeboys ruled Babylon til it fell. And Tyre had had such rulers til Babylon conquered it, by God's influence.
But I believe that most of the Scripture in question refers to Satan.
But I believe that most of the Scripture in question refers to Satan.
It's idiomatic language from mythological origins. The language we are speaking is absolutely filled with it (halcyon, procrustean beds, between Scylla and Charybdis, Pyrrhic victory.)
The king in question thought he was so great that he could displace God from the heavens. A meteoric rise followed by descent. A motif common in Ugaritic and Semitic mythology. Look at Attar and other ANE pagan gods associated with Venus, the morning star.
But he still could have been a stand in for Satan, as God used that king to describe and infer that the same qualities was shown by Satan Himself when he fell!
YLT
How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.
what human is ever called "son of the dawn" or son of morning?
This argument is often used by those who do not believe Lucifer exists, ...strange?
How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.
what human is ever called "son of the dawn" or son of morning?
This argument is often used by those who do not believe Lucifer exists, ...strange?
It would be interesting to see how you quantify that last question, which really seems more like an accusation.
If you quote the same verses in the same way for the same purpose as these groups. what should I think you believe.
It is like you describing the NY Yankees as one of their fans do, then say you are a Atl. Braves fan