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Hmm, CID, Criminal Investigative Dept. Sounds like the Army treats this as a crime, not as a sport as you so flippantly accused.
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No. Did I say that there arise mushroom by Missile attack on Nuke Power plants? Read carefully what I posted. Mushroom can arise when NK attack Tokyo with Nuke Warhead, or Nuke bombing. when they attack Atomic power plants, just disaster like Chernobyl.
I would judge you as non-Christian like person and quit the debate with you.
LE said:I would also like to point out, on comments about the Philippins, however, that Philippines also fought with US troops during WW2 and some were brutalized and killed during the Bataan Death March. Filipinos must have been forced to choose sides on which to fight during WW2.
fromtheright said:Hmm, CID, Criminal Investigative Dept. Sounds like the Army treats this as a crime, not as a sport as you so flippantly accused.
Eliyahu said:Pyong Yang was called Jerusalem in East Asia during 1900-1945 period. 80% of Korean Christians were concentrated in Pyong Yang area, The great grand father of Kim, Jeong Il, grand father of KIm, IlSung was a Presbyterian Pastor, whose salvation I don't know. But I met the step-brother of Kim, Jeong Il and he preached the gospel apparently who is now in SK. Many of NK Christians moved down to SK during the Korean War and then immigrated to Los Angeles area since 1970's where there are about 2 million Koreans now.
We live in Asahikawa, Hokkaido, the home ton of Miura Ayako. We never got to meet her, unfortunately, and she died a couple of years ago. I have a couple of her books that have been a blessing.Eliyahu said:Thanks to John.
We do have some good fellowship with Plymouth Brethren in Japan, and remember Uchimura Kanjo, Miura Ayako, even Kawabada Yashnari influenced by Christianity.
I have heard about this, and they need to do so. I have talked to Japanese who had no idea how bad their country had been until they visited other countries in Asia.Whenever, the brethren from Japan visit Korea, they start to say " we apologize... "
I agree completely. And they do deny their history in their school textbooks, as I am sure you have heard. There is nothing about what they did in the Phillippines or Korea, or the "Rape of Nanking" in China, where 200,000 civilians (including children) were tortured, raped and killed.I believe that Christianity preaches the true repentance and if anyone denies the truth of the history, they miss the truth and the chance of true salvation. If the public recognition of Japanese is based on the denial of the true history, they will have the little chance of salvation as a consequence. They are related.
My heart goes out to the poor people of NK. My friend in the Japan SD Forces said Sunday that to them, each of those 7 missiles represented 10,000 Koreans, the number of people that probably starved to death because of food they could not have because of the cost of the weapons.As for NK, they are misled by wrong leaders. SK people do not want to repeat the same disaster as they had in Korean War. Last time they lost 4 million people, and this time they may lose 8 million if a war occur, as the population has grown and the weapons have become massively destructive. Any attack will cause an enormous destruction and Seoul is the nearest and easiest target for NK attack. So SK want to avoid the crash by any means. I don't think Japan will make Pre-emptive attack to NK, nor will the Nuke power plants be attacked by NK in reality. I don't expect any effect from economic sanction against NK. In the past NK just caused another problem, another problem.
I'll have to defer to your knowledge about these things. I pretty much only get the Japanese viewpoint. They are very nervous about Korea, and will not soon forgive NK for the kidnappings of their citizens in past years. This is a huge issue in Japan.Key question is who broke the Treaty of Geneva first.
Amen! God has His plan, and I am waiting to see what that is!If we know the history and the sequences quite well, we can find the best solution. I personally have some brilliant, christian like ideas for resolving the problems with NUke, and even with Re-unification, but wait until the commandment of God in this regard reaches me as Joseph waited for the time when his brethren and father came, even though he could god there in 2days, riding on the chariots.
Wrong!NiteShift said:Eliyahu, President Truman initiated the division of Korea in order to prevent the Soviets from occupying the entire peninsula.
the best option was to claim the whole Korea, since Russia never demanded it.And if he hadn't, there would have been no chance of South Korea becoming the economic powerhouse that it is today. Look at the Soviet-dominated nations of eastern Europe, and how they are now trying to play catchup with the West. The same would be the case with Korea if it had not been divided. You say, Eliyahu, that the US made the wrong decision? Maybe. It seemed the best option at the time.
In God's view, yesterday is the same as today, especially when Japanese do not repent about it, nor admit the sins of the past.True, the Japanese committed atrocities in Korea and many other places during WWII. The dwindling number of veterans of the Pacific fighting knew all about that, and many never forgave them for it. But that was 60 years ago, and the Japanese have behaved as responsible and reliable allies since that time, and it is the North Korean government that is provoking the current crisis. It is seen in that light not only in the US, but also throughout 'the world community'.
Regarding the Status of Forces agreement between the US and ROK, as of 2000 the agreement was revised, after 5 years of negotiations. Under the new agreement, any US seviceman involved in 12 serious crimes including murder, rape, arson etc are handed over to South Korean authorities "at the time of indictment". South Korean police are able to detain US soldiers accused of violent crimes after arresting them.
Probably the vast majority of Americans would like nothing better than for our troops to leave S. Korea, as you want. I am quite sure that if your goverment asked us to take them out, they could begin leaving tomorrow.
John of Japan said:My heart goes out to the poor people of NK. My friend in the Japan SD Forces said Sunday that to them, each of those 7 missiles represented 10,000 Koreans, the number of people that probably starved to death because of food they could not have because of the cost of the weapons.
I think one of two things will happen in the next few years. (1) Kim may attack S. Korea to distract his people from their misery, in which case much damage will be done (as you say), but NK will lose quickly. Why? They do not have the resources and an army marches on its stomach. Also, much time has passed since the first war and their weapons are much inferior to SK's weapons. The only problem will be if China enters the fight.
(2) The governement of NK will collapse, like so many other communist countries.
I'll have to defer to your knowledge about these things. I pretty much only get the Japanese viewpoint. They are very nervous about Korea, and will not soon forgive NK for the kidnappings of their citizens in past years. This is a huge issue in Japan.
Concerning NK nukes, I don't think they can develop them without Chinese help, which is possible. NK does not have the technology or expertise to develop such weapons on their own.
Amen! God has His plan, and I am waiting to see what thatraise: is!
I agree. It is most definitely NK that is rattling its sabers and provoking the crisis. Almost no one here in Japan blames anyone else but Kim for this--the Japanese government, the Japanese media, our Japanese friends. Of course there is the Japanese Communist Party which, wildly ineffective though it is, insists on blaming the US just as the Communists around the world (along with the Islamics) like to do for everything.:tongue3:NiteShift said:True, the Japanese committed atrocities in Korea and many other places during WWII. The dwindling number of veterans of the Pacific fighting knew all about that, and many never forgave them for it. But that was 60 years ago, and the Japanese have behaved as responsible and reliable allies since that time, and it is the North Korean government that is provoking the current crisis. It is seen in that light not only in the US, but also throughout 'the world community'.
I for one, as an expatriate living right across the Sea of Japan from NK, am glad the US forces are here and in SK. NK may attack, true, but it may be that SK would be able to defend due to the technology gap. We stopped over for a stay in Korea a few years back while going home for a furlough, and took a tour.Probably the vast majority of Americans would like nothing better than for our troops to leave S. Korea, as you want. I am quite sure that if your goverment asked us to take them out, they could begin leaving tomorrow.
That is the only way NK could produce nukes. The basic technology is out there for anyone to see, including college freshmen physics students. But actually producing a weapon is a long and very difficult process, which is why so few countries have been able to do so yet.Eliyahu said:These days much of Nuke Tech has been exposed, and NK may have received some part from Russia, Pakistan, China.
It will never happen. That is too far in the past and Japan is too proud. The Koreas might as well forget about it and get on with their future.Let alone all the atrocities and cruelties by Japanese, only the price of the gold taken by Japanese can be used very effectively for the reconcilation between Japan and NK.
I have absolutely no qualms about saying that Kim and his regime are very wicked. They have done so many terrible things to their own people. We read and hear stories here in Japan all the time. God in His time will bring Kim down and free his people.In some sense, Rather than saying Kim and NK are wicked, we can say that Kim and his regime are stupid, because they don't know how to negotiate, but they are accustommed to threatening instead.
If we can embrace North Korea, the whole situation will become different and the free world will march forward in fact. USA and Japan will have the direct access or contact thru the border line with China and Russia, which may not be a good news to China and Russia.
fromtheright said:Niteshift,
Thanks very much. You put this more knowledgeably and more concisely than I ever could. But I would add that 12 seems like a high threshold. But perhaps, as I said, there are concerns about S.K. justice or prisons, I don't know. Maybe not.
Eliyahu said:Wrong!
It was not Truman that divided Korea, but FD Roosevelt.
If you had read my post you could find that the division of Korea was already decided at Yalta in Feb 1945 and the president then was FDR.
NiteShift said:As far as the '12' threshold, I guess I didn't express myself very clearly. In other words, there are 12 violent crimes over which the ROK police have jurisdiction, according to the SOFA agreement with S. Korea.