Thomas Helwys
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Before you spew forth your patently false, ridiculous, stupid, and libelous blather, you might try to better control that mass between your ears.
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Jesus and the death Penalty?
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Before you spew forth your patently false, ridiculous, stupid, and libelous blather, you might try to better control that mass between your ears.
Thomas Helwys
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Seems like I remember a passage in the NT where some followers of OT justice were about to dispense it with a few stones upon a woman caught in adultery, and Jesus stepped in and said I don't think so.
I'm curious. Were death penalties for religious infractions during that time subject to Roman approval? After all, it appears so when Christ was bought before Pilate. If it was necessary, it would appear that it is very possible that the mob that was about to stone the woman was acting illegally and Christ stopped a murder.
It is a big deal to say Jesus' ETHICS were different than Old Testament Jehovah's...because they are ONE GOD...
You are left with the question...Did God change his mind on some matters? Or is it only the APPLICATION of truth that Jesus fine-tuned for the New covenant?
But to say that the OT God and Jesus had different ETHICS (which I'm taking to mean "a core sense of what is right and wrong" ) Is quite a statement...
Please explain.
Think that he would be saying that the OT was the "letter of the law", while NT gives us the "Spirit" of the law, as God now under new Coveannt does not require to kill us for crimes that received that penalty under the old!
the 'Law" was given to Israel, as they were the Covenat people/nation of God in OT times, but now under new Covenant, the law was fulfilled in death of chrsit for us, and so we are now under grace, and are the people of the new heart, having the Holy Spirit now!
I think before the thread is over, my statement will be proven more correct than you had hoped.
You need to learn the law before attempting to expound upon it. :type: Begin by reading it.
Zaac
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Wasn't that a cultural law though for the Jews? Does God really give us the BIBLICAL authority to end a life in the NT?
One would think for as much as Jesus thought forgiveness and 70 x 7 and let you who is without sin and Father forgive them for they know not and your sins are forgiven now go and sin no more...
that we as Christians would be rather hesitant to pronounce final judgment of life and death upon anyone.
Zaac
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Does not Scripture show that there were cultural laws that were intended specifically for the Jewish people in order to keep them separate and from acting like the Gentiles?
Is not one of the reasons God asked them not to intermarry was to keep them separate and from taking on the behaviors of those who did not worship Him?
Under His new covenant, there is neither Jew nor Gentile and thus there would be no need for cultural laws like not wearing mixed fibers.
The moral laws have not ceased and are confirmed in the NT.
Can't decide what is more scary, bloodthirsty Christians who get excited and bent out of shape anytime someone questions if it is right to put people to death or people exalting a theological school of thought over Jesus who think they have suddenly figured out who is and who isn't actually a Christian.
Wow!
Wow!
Bloodthirsty huh?
Zaac
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Reminds me of any time one of those folks who committed one of "our" "really bad sins" kills himself or is killed afterwards and the folks on the board saying "he's getting what he deserves now".
Lord Jesus always impress it upon our spirits to extend grace and mercy to others as you have to us.
raying:Reminds me of any time one of those folks who committed one of "our" "really bad sins" kills himself or is killed afterwards and the folks on the board saying "he's getting what he deserves now".
Lord Jesus always impress it upon our spirits to extend grace and mercy to others as you have to us.
God also is a God of justice, and sin will not go unpunished, so IF a person willfully commits murder, premediated, no rreason NOT to execute them for justice sake!
Zaac
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God is a God of justice and will rightfully execute said justice in HIS time, not ours.:flower:
but he delegated that authority to the governemnt as his agent to "keep justice and order in society!"
Zaac
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Since when has God delegated His power to the government? If that were the case, then no one should have any problem with any of the unGodly stuff that the government does.
You don't keep order by going against God.
didn't say his power!
he has ordained human government though as an institution, with the authority from Him to protect the people, and to make sure justice is executed, and gave the state right to execute criminals as an option!
NOT saying that it must do that, but that the option is there!
Zaac
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Can you give a Biblical reference that corresponds with this?
3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for [d]good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. 7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
Romans 13
Sword in the contex of the times would have referred to having means to execute someone!
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