Jesus and the death Penalty?

[Zaac]

3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for [d]good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. 7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
Romans 13

Sword in the contex of the times would have referred to having means to execute someone!

Sounds like a bit of a stretch Just don't see anything concrete in Gods word where He has given us His authority to take a life. The government okayed abortion too.

 

[Yeshua1]

Sounds like a bit of a stretch Just don't see anything concrete in Gods word where He has given us His authority to take a life. The government okayed abortion too.

actually, that was the Supreme Court that invented a new riht never seen befiore in the constitution!

And God ordained execution, for that was what he used to have jesus killed with, death by the state!

 

[Zaac]

actually, that was the Supreme Court that invented a new riht never seen befiore in the constitution[quote ]

The SCOTUS is still part of the government.

And God ordained execution, for that was what he used to have jesus killed with, death by the state!

They rejected Him. They weren't doing anything in obedience. God ordained execution by HIS hand, not man's. The same authority that ijays execution okays abortion. If we're okay with one, we should be okay with the other.

But consistent with what folks have said about conservatives is that we talk about how sacred life is, but we only hold to that on the birth end.

 

[Yeshua1]

actually, that was the Supreme Court that invented a new riht never seen befiore in the constitution[quote ]

The SCOTUS is still part of the government.




They rejected Him. They weren't doing anything in obedience. God ordained execution by HIS hand, not man's. The same authority that ijays execution okays abortion. If we're okay with one, we should be okay with the other.

But consistent with what folks have said about conservatives is that we talk about how sacred life is, but we only hold to that on the birth end.

no, for when we allow for capital punishment for capital crimes, we actually uphold the sacredness of life, for the killer took life made in image of god!

 

[Zaac]

no, for when we allow for capital punishment for capital crimes, we actually uphold the sacredness of life, for the killer took life made in image of god!

So the government tells us it's okay to takes the life of one who took a life made in the image of God, but that same government is okay with abortion?

That make no sense and causes confusion that is not of God.

Either we're against ALL taking of life or we're not. It's almost crazy to say that God okayed the government to take life at one end but not the other.

 

[salzer mtn]

The message of the 60's hippies, love & peace. Since the death penalty has been abolished in most states, criminals don't fear the law. The prison system is home away from home, three hot's and a cot and all the recreation desired by a rich man. If it was left up to all the bleeding hearts there would be no conviction because love is higher than justice. The liberals would be setting on the jury crying, he that is without sin, let him cast the first stone. No scripture just common since

 

[Yeshua1]

So the government tells us it's okay to takes the life of one who took a life made in the image of God, but that same government is okay with abortion?

That make no sense and causes confusion that is not of God.

Either we're against ALL taking of life or we're not. It's almost crazy to say that God okayed the government to take life at one end but not the other.

He didn't ! he authotrized the government to have capital punishment option idf needed, but did NOYT authorize abortion on demand!

 

[Zaac]

He didn't ! he authotrized the government to have capital punishment option idf needed, but did NOYT authorize abortion on demand!

Where has He authorized the government to murder adults but not babies? That seems to be inconsistent Christian logic to justify what we are for and against.

 

[Yeshua1]

Where has He authorized the government to murder adults but not babies? That seems to be inconsistent Christian logic to justify what we are for and against.

The babies have commited no crime worthy of death punishment, while murderers and killers have!

 

[Zaac]

The babies have commited no crime worthy of death punishment, while murderers and killers have!

Again you're talking about how man feels about what they have done. God says that ALL have sinned so the babies are just as worthy of death as is an adult murderer.

His righteousness and justice does not discriminate. We do.

And you still didn't address that previous post:laugh:

 

[go2church]

The message of the 60's hippies, love & peace. Since the death penalty has been abolished in most states, criminals don't fear the law. The prison system is home away from home, three hot's and a cot and all the recreation desired by a rich man. If it was left up to all the bleeding hearts there would be no conviction because love is higher than justice. The liberals would be setting on the jury crying, he that is without sin, let him cast the first stone. No scripture just common since

Have you ever been to a prison? I know you're just making a general point, but your picture of a life of leisure is way off base.

 

[go2church]

I don't trust the government to spend money I send them appropriately, way too many mistakes. Same applies to the death penalty for me, too many mistakes, which can't be undone.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

I think before the thread is over, my statement will be proven more correct than you had hoped.

Which part, the one that was clipped off? LOL

 

[Thomas Helwys]

You need to learn the law before attempting to expound upon it. :type: Begin by reading it.

Another of questionable knowledge attempting to lecture me on mine. Too funny.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Can't decide what is more scary, bloodthirsty Christians who get excited and bent out of shape anytime someone questions if it is right to put people to death or people exalting a theological school of thought over Jesus who think they have suddenly figured out who is and who isn't actually a Christian.

Wow!

Yes, indeed. You have nailed it.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

The message of the 60's hippies, love & peace. Since the death penalty has been abolished in most states, criminals don't fear the law. The prison system is home away from home, three hot's and a cot and all the recreation desired by a rich man. If it was left up to all the bleeding hearts there would be no conviction because love is higher than justice. The liberals would be setting on the jury crying, he that is without sin, let him cast the first stone. No scripture just common since

I have a good friend who worked as a prison officer for 30 years. He would tell you that you're full of it.

 

[saturneptune]

The thread in essence is comparing today's penal system with ancient Israel's. I am not for certain how Jesus would feel about our present system, and therefore the modern day death penalty.

Note this. There was no orgainized prison system in ancient Israel. For crimes not involving the death penalty, such as stealing or other lesser crimes, the perpetrator of the crime was required to pay back the victim, sometimes in multiples. Contrast that with today. The criminal spends some amount of time in jail. It puts a burden on the taxpayer, and does nothing to make the victim whole. In fact, the victim pays taxes to put up the criminal.

Another thread, but there are entirely too many in prison from non violent crimes that could be handled in some other fashion. IMO, prison and jails should be for violence, drug dealers, and sexual crimes. Drugs users, (first time), contempt of court, and other such offenses could be handled in a different manner to greatly reduce the expense of government.

Israel put much more value on life and less on material things. Jesus would probably agree with some aspects of the death penalty today, maybe not the way we administer it. IMO, there is sometimes crimes so horrible that are not murder, that consideration should be given to the DP, such as Bernie Madoff, who destroyed thousands of lives, or treason, or in some cases, such as trading children in a sex ring or selling drugs to a certain number of children established by law.

 

[Revmitchell]

I have a good friend who worked as a prison officer for 30 years. He would tell you that you're full of it.

And I have number of them and they all would agree with him.

 

[Crabtownboy]

The message of the 60's hippies, love & peace. Since the death penalty has been abolished in most states, criminals don't fear the law. The prison system is home away from home, three hot's and a cot and all the recreation desired by a rich man. If it was left up to all the bleeding hearts there would be no conviction because love is higher than justice. The liberals would be setting on the jury crying, he that is without sin, let him cast the first stone. No scripture just common since

Well, I am not so sure you are quite right on this. I'd say that death is an easy punishment compared to living long-term or the remaining years of my life in a Super Max Jail.

In supermax, prisoners are generally allowed out of their cells for only one hour a day (in California state prisons they are allowed out for one-and-a-half hours); often they are kept in solitary confinement. They receive their meals through ports, also known as "chuck holes" or "bean slots," in the doors of their cells. When supermax inmates are allowed to exercise, this may take place in a small, enclosed area where the prisoner will exercise alone.[4]

Prisoners are under constant surveillance, usually with closed-circuit television cameras. Cell doors are usually opaque, while the cells may be windowless. Conditions are plain, with poured concrete or metal furniture common. Cell walls, and sometimes plumbing, may be soundproofed to prevent communication between the inmates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermax_prison

1. Window - partially blocked to leave only a view of the sky

2. Shower - water on a timer switch to prevent flooding

3. Fixed concrete stool and writing desk

4. Combined toilet, sink and water fountain unit

5. Polished steel mirror

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17663629

Death is a liberal punishment compared to living as described above.

 

[salzer mtn]

I have a good friend who worked as a prison officer for 30 years. He would tell you that you're full of it.

I worked in the prison system for thirty two years. The prisoners have three meals a day at the dinning room, a warm place to stay in the winter, a air-condition unit to live in of the summer. They get to go to the yard twice a day where there is weight lifting sheds, basketball courts ect. Each unit where prisoners are assigned too has gym time certain day's of the week. There is a clinic and nurse's staff and a doctor on call. A dentist that comes to the institution, eye doctors that come. There is a barbershop for haircuts and also the convicts can go through barber school course and other tech courses. There are work detailes that prisoners can work at which they get payed for. The prison i worked at had a farm and a dairy and chicken houses that prisoners could work at. Prisoners would even drive farm trucks delivering eggs and milk to different institutions. There are libraries for prisoners to check out books to read and they can work in the library. They have visitation once a week from family and friends. each convict can have his own tv set or there is one in the day room. The prisoners get institutionalized after a time because they have more in prison than they have on the streets. Some prisoners don't work or go to school. these prisoners lay around in the unit all day except for meals and recreation time. If a prisoner has it hard in prison it is because he makes it hard on himself. Most older prisoners don't cause any problems and don't want any problems. Younger prisoners that are short timers are the ones that try to make names for themselves and cause all the problems. Most prisoners are not sent to max security prisons, but to minimum and medium security prisons which i have described