Jesus is the Reason for Calvinism

[Iconoclast]

I don't know how this can be anymore clear. You are chosen unto salvation, rather than you choosing salvation. How do you interpret Romans 9?

You seem to be suggesting that this poster is mistaken?
Is his "truth" the same as yours?
How can you judge that his ideas have no truth in them?
He seems to be violently opposed to the historic faith. Is he just a little bit off? Or has the cheese slid off his theological cracker?

 

[Humble Disciple]

You seem to be suggesting that this poster is mistaken?
Is his "truth" the same as yours?
How can you judge that his ideas have no truth in them?
He seems to be violently opposed to the historic faith. Is he just a little bit off? Or has the cheese slid off his theological cracker?

I'm still waiting for the non-Calvinist interpretation of Romans 9. I'm not going to pre-judge it.

 

[Humble Disciple]

If saving faith is entirely a gift of the Holy Spirit, irrespective of our free-willed efforts to believe or disbelieve, as Augustine, Luther and Calvin taught, then those who deny it are blaspheming the Holy Spirit, committing the unpardonable sin.

Anti-Calvinists should be sure, then, that the Bible rejects irresistible (enabling, efficacious) grace before they reject it too.

The Holy Spirit will work in the lives of the elect so that they inevitably will come to faith in Christ. The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit never fails to bring to salvation those sinners whom He personally calls to Christ (John 6:37-40)...

Another misconception concerning this doctrine is that it teaches the Holy Spirit cannot be resisted at all. Yet, again, that is not what the doctrine teaches because that is not what the Bible teaches. God’s grace can be resisted, and the Holy Spirit’s influence can be resisted even by one of the elect. However, what the doctrine does correctly recognize is that the Holy Spirit can overcome all such resistance and that He will draw the elect with an irresistible grace that makes them want to come to God and helps them to understand the gospel so they can and will believe it.
Irresistible Grace - is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org

 

[Humble Disciple]

 

[Van]

How do you interpret Romans 9?
...and that's exactly what Reformed theology teaches about preservation of the saints.

I don't think you are understanding the terms the same way that Reformed theology means them. Instead, you are attacking strawmen.

I do not think you are understanding both the bogus doctrines of Calvinism, not biblical truth. Your attack on my qualifications is of course a strawperson.

 

[Van]

No, you just might be revealing your own prejudice against Calvinism. I'm not insisting that you must agree with Calvinism.

You are revealing an inability to address biblical doctrine, and offer instead your prejudice against scripture.

 

[rockytopva]

That John Calvin image... Was that him after toasting Michael Servetus and uttering these words? "Whoever shall maintain that wrong is done to heretics and blasphemers in punishing them makes himself an accomplice in their crime and guilty as they are. There is no question here of man's authority; it is God who speaks, and clear it is what law he will have kept in the church, even to the end of the world. Wherefore does he demand of us a so extreme severity, if not to show us that due honor is not paid him, so long as we set not his service above every human consideration, so that we spare not kin, nor blood of any, and forget all humanity when the matter is to combat for His glory." - John Calvin

 

[thomas15]

I was in my local pharmacy today and overheard the druggist tell another customer he was all sold out of annoying pills, some guy named HD was in earlier, snapped them all up.

 

[Humble Disciple]

The only reason why I started this thread was to show that Calvinists love Jesus, and that we do take the words of Jesus seriously. The fact that all five points of Calvinism can be demonstrated from the Gospels alone shows that Calvinists care about the person and message of Christ.

Calvinists don't worship John Calvin. There would be no reason to accept Calvinism if it weren't supported by the Bible. The only reason why it's called "Calvinism" is because John Calvin popularized the doctrines of grace.

 

[Humble Disciple]

Isaiah 55:8-9
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.”

1 Corinthians 2:15-16
The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for,“Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

Romans 11:34
Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been His counselor?

 

[Van]

Why was Calvinism invented with the speculation of humans and ignorance of scripture? To avoid being responsible for ineffective ministry. They presented their flawed understanding of the gospel, and some rejected it, and so they sought to explain why they were not responsible for losing some of the "might win some" crowd. Thus it is man-centered false doctrine. God's actual plan is for born anew believers to earn heavenly rewards for effective ministry as ambassadors of Christ. Calvinism puts a dagger into that ministry.

Why is it hard for rich people to enter the kingdom? If Irresistible grace was valid, then it would not be hard, it would be a non-issue. Luke 18:24

Why does 2 Thessalonians 2:13 say God chooses individuals for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth, if our election was Unconditional?

How were the people of Matthew 23:13 prevented from going in to the kingdom if they were being compelled by irresistible grace?

Why did God choose individuals poor to the world, rich in faith and those that love God, if election for salvation is unconditional? James 2:5.

Why did Christ lay down His life as a ransom for all if He only paid for the sins of the previously chosen elect? 1 Timothy 2:6

Why are these questions being ignored? You bet, because Calvinism is unbiblical.

Calvinism is defended by those long on claims and short of evidence. The TULI of the TULIP are obviously unbiblical.

Scripture teaches some of the lost seek God. Matthew 23:13
Scripture teaches God's election for salvation is conditional. 2 Thessalonians 2:13
Scripture teaches Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all humanity. 1 Timothy 2:6
Scripture teaches irresistible grace is non-existent, otherwise it would not be hard to enter for a rich man. Luke 18:24

 

[Yeshua1]

Why was Calvinism invented with the speculation of humans and ignorance of scripture? To avoid being responsible for ineffective ministry. They presented their flawed understanding of the gospel, and some rejected it, and so they sought to explain why they were not responsible for losing some of the "might win some" crowd. Thus it is man-centered false doctrine. God's actual plan is for born anew believers to earn heavenly rewards for effective ministry as ambassadors of Christ. Calvinism puts a dagger into that ministry.

Why is it hard for rich people to enter the kingdom? If Irresistible grace was valid, then it would not be hard, it would be a non-issue. Luke 18:24

Why does 2 Thessalonians 2:13 say God chooses individuals for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth, if our election was Unconditional?

How were the people of Matthew 23:13 prevented from going in to the kingdom if they were being compelled by irresistible grace?

Why did God choose individuals poor to the world, rich in faith and those that love God, if election for salvation is unconditional? James 2:5.

Why did Christ lay down His life as a ransom for all if He only paid for the sins of the previously chosen elect? 1 Timothy 2:6

Why are these questions being ignored? You bet, because Calvinism is unbiblical.

Calvinism is defended by those long on claims and short of evidence. The TULI of the TULIP are obviously unbiblical.

Scripture teaches some of the lost seek God. Matthew 23:13
Scripture teaches God's election for salvation is conditional. 2 Thessalonians 2:13
Scripture teaches Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all humanity. 1 Timothy 2:6
Scripture teaches irresistible grace is non-existent, otherwise it would not be hard to enter for a rich man. Luke 18:24

Paul taught Calvinism, as did rest of the Apostles though!

 

[Van]

Paul taught Calvinism, as did rest of the Apostles though!

There will always be posters that make false claims with impunity. Jesus taught it was hard for a rich man to enter, but Calvinism teaches the rich are irresistibly dragged into the kingdom. Paul taught God chooses individuals for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth, but Calvinism teaches our individual election is unconditional.

 

[Yeshua1]

There will always be posters that make false claims with impunity. Jesus taught it was hard for a rich man to enter, but Calvinism teaches the rich are irresistibly dragged into the kingdom. Paul taught God chooses individuals for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth, but Calvinism teaches our individual election is unconditional.

have you read any Calvinistic ST, such as Calvin or Grudem or berkhof Van?

 

[Van]

have you read any Calvinistic ST, such as Calvin or Grudem or berkhof Van?

Since I have answered these kind of questions is the past, one must conclude the purpose of the post is obfuscation to hide the obviously false doctrine of Calvinism.

There will always be posters that ask subject changing questions with impunity. Jesus taught it was hard for a rich man to enter, but Calvinism teaches the rich are irresistibly dragged into the kingdom. Paul taught God chooses individuals for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth, but Calvinism teaches our individual election is unconditional.

Y1 appears to be unusually ignorant of the doctrine he claims to advocate. Otherwise his only response would not be to change the subject. Pay no attention to these naysayers who attack truth with almost every post.

 

[rockytopva]

John Calvin toasting Michael Servetus is worse than Jimmy Swaggart being with harlots. But… Both sins are terrible sins, especially the shedding of innocent blood. In which case, I have no use for either man.

And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. - Luke 3:14

If it was demanded that the soldiers do violence to no man how much more preachers?

 

[Yeshua1]

Since I have answered these kind of questions is the past, one must conclude the purpose of the post is obfuscation to hide the obviously false doctrine of Calvinism.

There will always be posters that ask subject changing questions with impunity. Jesus taught it was hard for a rich man to enter, but Calvinism teaches the rich are irresistibly dragged into the kingdom. Paul taught God chooses individuals for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth, but Calvinism teaches our individual election is unconditional.

Y1 appears to be unusually ignorant of the doctrine he claims to advocate. Otherwise his only response would not be to change the subject. Pay no attention to these naysayers who attack truth with almost every post.

is that your way of answering"No, i have not read any of those, but still can go off on some thing do not really understand?"

 

[Yeshua1]

John Calvin toasting Michael Servetus is worse than Jimmy Swaggart being with harlots. But… Both sins are terrible sins, especially the shedding of innocent blood. In which case, I have no use for either man.

And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. - Luke 3:14

If it was demanded that the soldiers do violence to no man how much more preachers?

Calvin wanted to spare his life, but he got overrode!

 

[rockytopva]

Calvin wanted to spare his life, but he got overrode!

“Servetus offers to come hither, if it be agreeable to me. But I am unwilling to pledge my word for his safety, for if he shall come, I shall never permit him to depart alive, provided my authority be of any avail.” - John Calvin letter to Farel, 13 February 1546

 

[rockytopva]

“Servetus offers to come hither, if it be agreeable to me. But I am unwilling to pledge my word for his safety, for if he shall come, I shall never permit him to depart alive, provided my authority be of any avail.” - John Calvin letter to Farel, 13 February 1546

From an article labeled “John Calvin had people killed and bad Bible interpretation justified…”

John Calvin justified killing his theological opponents with the Bible

Which goes on to quote Calvin… “Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and blasphemers to death, knowingly and willingly incur their guilt. It is not human authority that speaks, it is God who speaks and prescribes a perpetual rule for His Church.”

“Servetus . . . suffered the penalty due to his heresies, but was it by my will? Certainly his arrogance destroyed him not less than his impiety. And what crime was it of mine if our Council, at my exhortation, indeed, but in conformity with the opinion of several Churches, took vengeance on his execrable blasphemies?” - Calvin