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Joel believe Steve Jobs went to Heaven....for real!

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pinoybaptist

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How anyone can say what another man believes or knows in their mind is beyond me. The father of lies can influence believers. Fact is we don't know, even if the evidence points to him being lost. Stop with the emphatic judgement.

surprise, surprise. :thumbsup:
 

pinoybaptist

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been avoiding this thread because I thought everyone would be all in agreement that Jobs is likely in hell because of this and that and the other except anything that agrees with Scriptures like the book of life being written FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD which means all names of everyone of God's people who will ever exist in this plane called time are already in the book regardless of their chronological existence and geographical situations or social/cultural/theological/creedal circumstances, and their names were not written as each individual made a profession of faith, or repented, or accepted Christ.

surprised to see webdog, and I say this with respect, proferring a completely scriptural approach.

is jobs in heaven ? we don't know. is he in hell ? we don't know.
to insist on either is presumptuous (sp?).
 

Jedi Knight

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Since you are claiming to know Jobs' heart...does that make you Benny Hinn Jr or Pat Robertson Jr?

You side step the test don't you. Needed to be led by the hand I see....not that it would do you any good anyways.. 1 John 4:1
 
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preacher4truth

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You side step the test don't you. Needed to be led by the hand I see....not that it would do you any good anyways.. 1 John 4:1

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Of course he does. Now I don't know anything about Jobs, but I do know there is scriptural evidences of salvation and also of being in a lost state, whether professing to be a believer or not. Carnal believers just don't like to hear these things. Deceiving, and being deceived, growing worse and worse, impostors &c.
 
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webdog

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You side step the test don't you.

Not at all. With even a hint of elementary reading comprehension given to my earlier posts you would have seen I already affirmed John 14:6. You on the other hand have given no Scripture for your seer abilities...and the witch at Endor doesn't count.
 

webdog

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Of course he does. Now I don't know anything about Jobs, but I do know there is scriptural evidences of salvation and also of being in a lost state, whether professing to be a believer or not. Carnal believers just don't like to hear these things. Deceiving, and being deceived, growing worse and worse, impostors &c.
And in true cowardly fashion you do not reply directly to me, your MO.
 

Jedi Knight

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Not at all. With even a hint of elementary reading comprehension given to my earlier posts you would have seen I already affirmed John 14:6. You on the other hand have given no Scripture for your seer abilities...and the witch at Endor doesn't count.

You have been reproved enough that you have no excuse. Waiter! Could I have the check, please.
 

webdog

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You have been reproved enough that you have no excuse. Waiter! Could I have the check, please.

That would also be make believe. Pure pride to claim insight, information and knowledge only God has. I'm told to test the spirits...you are failing this one.
 

preacher4truth

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You have been reproved enough that you have no excuse. Waiter! Could I have the check, please.

Here's the issue. Many have been conditioned to believe they can live any way they desire, so long as they've said a prayer in the past and got their ticket to heaven. Thus they have their best interest in mind, and their theology follows.
 

Jedi Knight

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Here's the issue. Many have been conditioned to believe they can live any way they desire, so long as they've said a prayer in the past and got their ticket to heaven. Thus they have their best interest in mind, and their theology follows.

Some prefer the "touchy-feely" gospel rather than the truth thus they have to make straw men to attack us. Thanks preacher4truth,I knew there are a few good men "and ladies" still here. :)
 
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preacher4truth

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Some prefer the "touchy feely" gospel rather than the truth thus they have to make straw men to attack us. Thanks preacher4truth,I knew there are a few good men "and ladies" still here.

Yup, you're welcome and thanks to you as well. Anyhow that is exactly what he and others of his ilk do all day. Then the anger, name calling, personal assaults &c. Scripture says avoid these types which is why I generally play off all their manufactured beliefs and responses. You've handled him nicely, but sometimes you do have to avoid them which is Biblical.
 

webdog

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Some prefer the "touchy-feely" gospel rather than the truth thus they have to make straw men to attack us. Thanks preacher4truth,I knew there are a few good men "and ladies" still here. :)
You further prove how clueless you come across by such a silly accusation...and cyber backrub with the fictional 'preacher'.
 

saturneptune

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So we cannot say that those who have refused Jesusas their Lord/Messiah will have to 'wait and see" then?

Yes, I could say those who refused Jesus will split hell wide open. Actually, Jesus chose them, they did not choose Him. However, in this case, you do not know that either person "refused" Jesus Christ. Your information, filtered through your flawed, human mind, comes from an even more flawed news media.
 

saturneptune

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Here's the issue. Many have been conditioned to believe they can live any way they desire, so long as they've said a prayer in the past and got their ticket to heaven. Thus they have their best interest in mind, and their theology follows.

Wrong again, psychic breath. You mix apples and oranges. No one can live as they desire as a Christian. They are lead by the Lord. Where you miss the point is that you have no idea how they live in the totality of life. How long were you in seminary? Where is the church you are pastor of?

By the way, would you teach me that trick of pointing out 100% someone is saved or lost. I would like to take that act on the road and make millions.
 

saturneptune

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God's word is crystal clear....you however.....are you Joel jr.?

God's Word is clear. Your interpretation of it, and your assessment of individual salvation is not. Only God knows anyone's true heart. You might have a 99.9% speculation factor on certain individuals, but last time I checked, you or anyone else is not part of the Trinity. If you were, it would be four parts, and we could call it the Quad Squad.
 
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