JOHN 3:16 - FOR GOD SO LOVES THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE

[Saved-By-Grace]

George Knight the Third renders it as :
"...who is the Savior of all people, that is, of those who believe."

In Thomas R. Schreiner's book :Paul : Apostle of God's Glory In Christ : A Pauline Theology
Schreiner deals with 1 Timothy 4:10 :...is the Savior of all people, especially believers." He goes on to state :"The words especially believers specify more precisely who is saved. in this instance the word malista could be translated 'that is.' The verse would then read 'God is the savior of all people, that is, believers.' " (p.185)

The same thing applies with respect to 1 John 2:2.

then he is teaching HERESY! as he is tampering with the Word of God!

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

is that YOU?

 

[SovereignGrace]

is that YOU?

That's your golden calf...err your free will your worship.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?[Romans 2:4]

He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.[Acts 5:31]

When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”[Acts 11:18]

with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,[2 Timothy 2:25]

Here's 4 verses that state repentance is a gift from God. God knows how to save ppl w/o them getting in His way. Get out of His way, okay?

No sane believer ever doubts that salvation, from start to finish, is the work of Almighty God. God the Holy Spirit must do a work of "conviction" (see John 16:1-8) in the heart of the unbeliever which would lead them to repent. But as Stephen told the Jews "you always resist the Holy Spirit" (Acts 7:51), it shows that the "convicting" by the Holy Spirit does not mean that the sinner WILL COME, as Calvinism wrongly teaches. They can either "accept" or "reject", which is FREE WILL!

 

[SovereignGrace]

you guys have a very serious problem! how you can jump to conclusions that are based on your rather ignorant understanding of what the Bible actually says, and people like me believe! I don't think any serious believer in Jesus Christ would ever doubt or question that God is absolutely Sovereign over ALL of creation. Just because I mention "free will", you so wrongly conclude that I have problems with God's Sovereignty? If, as you guys say, that man does not have a "free will", then God is the author of sin! Its that simple! Are you suggesting that non believers are not capable of doing anything that is "morally right"? There are many who do not follow the Lord, whose lives are more "godly" than many who claim to be "Christians"!!! So, when a non believer has the "choice" of doing wrong, like stealing, and they don't, is this not their exercising their "free will", in doing what is "morally right"? They may not please the Lord, but then can live better and more "moral" lives than many believers! You guys are so hung up on your "theology", that you cannot see what the Bible actually says on issues like "free will". How can God command all of mankind, both "elect" and "non elect" to repent, when He knows that the latter are not capable of doing so? Are you saying that God makes unjust requirements?

Your warped "theology" makes Calvinists like Wayne Grudem make some really dumb statements:

"In Spite of All of the Foregoing Statements, We Have to Come to the Point Where We Confess That We Do Not Understand How It Is That God Can Ordain That We Carry Out Evil Deeds and Yet Hold Us Accountable for Them and Not be Blamed Himself: We can affirm that all of these things are true, because Scripture teaches them. But Scripture does not tell us exactly how God brings this situation about or how it can be that God holds us accountable for what he ordains to come to pass. Here Scripture is silent, and we have to agree with Berkhof that ultimately “the problem of God’s relation to sin remains a mystery" (Systematic Theology, p.331.)

So, here we have God actually "ordaining" that we carry out "evil deeds", and then when we do them, He punishes us for this!!! What a monstrous thing to say! God "ordains" that we rape, murder, steal, commit adultery, formication, incest, and every other EVIL under the sun, and then punishes us for doing what HE MADE US DO! This is utterly DEMONIC! This is what "Calvinism" actually amounts to!

No He is not in your schema sovereign over all things. He is not sovereign over your mythical free will.

Look, I think my time with you has ran its course. It is apparent that your blood boils when your free will, with is a myth by the way, is trumped by God's soverenity. Toodles.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

That's your golden calf...err your free will your worship.

[Edited: Name Calling] It is very sad that when hard-line, loveless Calvinists cannot take the heat, or cannot get their own way in a debate or argument, that they lower themselves to name calling or making dumb and offensive remarks. Did you know that the Bible says, that when you insult another Christian, you insult God?

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

No He is not in your schema sovereign over all things. He is not sovereign over your mythical free will.

Look, I think my time with you has ran its course. It is apparent that your blood boils when your free will, with is a myth by the way, is trumped by God's soverenity. Toodles.

You HATE Bible Truth!

 

[SovereignGrace]

No sane believer ever doubts that salvation, from start to finish, is the work of Almighty God. God the Holy Spirit must do a work of "conviction" (see John 16:1-8) in the heart of the unbeliever which would lead them to repent. But as Stephen told the Jews "you always resist the Holy Spirit" (Acts 7:51), it shows that the "convicting" by the Holy Spirit does not mean that the sinner WILL COME, as Calvinism wrongly teaches. They can either "accept" or "reject", which is FREE WILL!

Uh wrong. You guys keep saying 'my faith', 'my repentance', its like an opera singer loosening their vocal cords..."me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me...."

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

No He is not in your schema sovereign over all things. He is not sovereign over your mythical free will.

Look, I think my time with you has ran its course. It is apparent that your blood boils when your free will, with is a myth by the way, is trumped by God's soverenity. Toodles.

yes, you need to take a break to cool of and read your Bible more with the directing of the Holy Spirit, and not your warped theological mind!

 

[SovereignGrace]

Then you are a complete FOOL! It is very sad that when hard-line, loveless Calvinists cannot take the heat, or cannot get their own way in a debate or argument, that they lower themselves to name calling or making dumb and offensive remarks. Did you know that the Bible says, that when you insult another Christian, you insult God?

And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.[Matthew 5:22]

Its time you and I part ways. To the ignore file you go...

 

[utilyan]

George Knight the Third renders it as :
"...who is the Savior of all people, that is, of those who believe."

In Thomas R. Schreiner's book :Paul : Apostle of God's Glory In Christ : A Pauline Theology
Schreiner deals with 1 Timothy 4:10 :...is the Savior of all people, especially believers." He goes on to state :"The words especially believers specify more precisely who is saved. in this instance the word malista could be translated 'that is.' The verse would then read 'God is the savior of all people, that is, believers.' " (p.185)

The same thing applies with respect to 1 John 2:2.

Hey see Calvinist got their own bible like the Jehovah's witness. Well played.

 

[Rippon]

you are a complete FOOL!

loveless Calvinists

they lower themselves to name calling or making dumb and offensive remarks.

Did you know that the Bible says, that when you insult another Christian, you insult God?

You are such a hypocrite.

 

[Rippon]

then he is teaching HERESY! as he is tampering with the Word of God!

Can't you count? I cited two New Testament scholars --not one. The correct pronoun is they -- not he.

 

[Iconoclast]

Here is another angle. Calvinist do not believe Jesus Christ to be 100% Human. Because humans beings 100% don't have free will.

This is just a foolish stayement.noone will take you serious if this is what you posr.

 

[Iconoclast]

Do you know what the word "repent" means? When Jesus and the Apostles command that all sinners REPENT, they are asking that we change our mind and attitude towards sin and God. Thereby telling someone to "change direction", which is only possible if they had the capacity to "make a decision", which requires FREE WILL. God commands ALL people everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), which means a CHANGE. If the will of man is "bound" as Calvinists claim, then this command by God is pointless, because sinful man could not do it! Note, it does say "ALL MEN EVERYWHERE", language that cannot be limited to the "elect", but to the WHOLE HUMAN RACE!

My statement to you was free will does not exist.
You cannot show it in the bible anywhere.
You failed to show it cause it is not there.the command to repent is there...men will not repent because they are bound by sin....God grants repentance and faith...your free will fantasy is the golden calf as pictured.

 

[Rippon]

You HATE Bible Truth!

You really need to get a grip.

Have you been banned from the BB before?

 

[Rippon]

yes, you need to take a break to cool of and read your Bible more with the directing of the Holy Spirit, and not your warped theological mind!

Do you relate to people in this manner face-to-face?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

As the OP is now banned, this thread is now closed.

 

[utilyan]

Do you relate to people in this manner face-to-face?

Are you saying he has a choice? Can you comprehend the stupidity of holding him accountable for something you swear he has no choice in the matter?

It was God's will ordained to point out how stupid Calvinist logic works.

 

[TCassidy]

Are you saying he has a choice? Can you comprehend the stupidity of holding him accountable for something you swear he has no choice in the matter?

It was God's will ordained to point out how stupid Calvinist logic works.

Once again you display your monumental ignorance of the subject matter. Everybody makes choices. Every day. Making a choice and "free will" are entirely different and not even remotely related.

Please. Learn what you are talking about before you start talking.

My dad, rest his soul, used to say, "When you don't know what you are talking about it is a good time to stop talking."