John Gerstner's Unbiblical Nonsense!

[Martin Marprelate]

This is what John Gerstner, who was a leading Reformed theologian, said about people who end up in hell. His response to a question from a student, is totally unbiblical and goes against what the Holy Bible actually teaches. The question that I have, is this unbiblical nonsense actually "Reformed" teaching?

Event #2: One student asked Dr. Gerstner, “How can I be happy in heaven if I’m aware that one of my loved ones is in hell?” Dr. Gerstner responded: “Don’t you know that when you are in heaven you will be so sanctified that you could look at your own mother in hell and rejoice in the display of the justice of God.” And Sproul burst out laughing, informing Dr. Gerstner that his statement was absolutely ridiculous.

2010 Ligonier National Conference - R.C. Sproul (II)

There is not even ONE verse in the entire Bible that says what Gerstner taught! This is one of the reasons why people in this world are put off the Christian Faith!

This is what God says in His Word!

"Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?" (Ezekiel 18:23)

"Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?" (Ezekiel 33:11)

Revelation 7:17 is all you or anyone else needs to know. How God will do that is not told to us, only that He will.

 

[Tsalagi]

Where is that found in the Bible again?

In the same chapter and verse as your joy in the judgment of the wicked.

 

[Iconoclast]

like He does everything in the world, as the reformed teach?

You really are unable to grasp the discussion.
God ordained whatsoever comes to pass.
That includes the preaching of the gospel to all men.
You do not understand this at all.
If you do not grasp basic truth why can we believe you want an answer.
Looks like you just want to attack truth.

 

[Revmitchell]

Revelation 7:17 is all you or anyone else needs to know. How God will do that is not told to us, only that He will.

Break it down for us peasants. How is it that you think that verse applies.

 

[Tsalagi]

I did not say it does not pertain to it.

1689 said, "You are using it to say I shouldn't judge, but that is not what Matthew 7 is saying at all."
I'm beginning to wonder if my impression about truth seeking is off the mark. What part of "judge not" doesn't apply to you?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Break it down for us peasants. How is it that you think that verse applies.

Read the O.P. and the question from the student.

 

[Tsalagi]

I didn't ask that. Read my sentence:
Do you rejoice in the justice of God?

Am I supposed to?

 

[Reformed1689]

1689 said, "You are using it to say I shouldn't judge, but that is not what Matthew 7 is saying at all."
I'm beginning to wonder if my impression about truth seeking is off the mark. What part of "judge not" doesn't apply to you?

The part that you take out of context.

 

[Tsalagi]

The part that you take out of context.

Wow. See you later.

 

[AustinC]

In the same chapter and verse as your joy in the judgment of the wicked.

Do you rejoice in the justice of God?

 

[AustinC]

Am I supposed to?

That answers the question.
You don't rejoice in the justice of God.

 

[Tsalagi]

That answers the question.
You don't rejoice in the justice of God.

No, and God doesn't either.

 

[SavedByGrace]

God ordained whatsoever comes to pass

then God IS the author of sin! which is blasphemy!

 

[Tsalagi]

Do you rejoice in the justice of God?

Already told you no several times; my posts on this are evidently no clearer to you than the Scriptures are, which should be worrisome to you.

 

[SavedByGrace]

The part that you take out of context.

like you always do!

 

[Revmitchell]

Read the O.P. and the question from the student.

Nope not enough info as to your intent. The arrogance that drips from your posts here is astounding. We peasants will leave you to your misery.

 

[AustinC]

No, and God doesn't either.

God doesn't rejoice in being just?

You're claiming that God doesn't rejoice in one of His perfect attributes.

Thanks for your honesty.

I am amazed that you don't love that God is just.

 

[Reformed1689]

Wow. See you later.

It is not saying to not judge. It says that before you judge make sure your house is in order. I am not the one lying about others on this board.

 

[Tsalagi]

God doesn't rejoice in being just?

You're claiming that God doesn't rejoice in one of His perfect attributes.

Thanks for your honesty.

I am amazed that you don't love that God is just.

God says He does not take pleasure in the judgment of the wicked. You can listen to Him or you can listen to yourself.
I know who I'm listening to.

 

[Tsalagi]

It is not saying to not judge. It says that before you judge make sure your house is in order. I am not the one lying about others on this board.

Ah, so you're qualified to cast the first stone. I assure you I'm not.
Otherwise I'd demonstrate that your latter claim is not as true as you think.